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Post by gloom button » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:58 pm

I was only sort of vaguely aware of its existence til now (because of protests and the like), but I've just discovered that Jason Molina went there on a scholarship and now I'm intrigued. It seems lots of people I think are pretty cool went there. Is it sort of terribly exclusive and the sort of place people hate, or is it a nirvana-like enclave for creativity and suchlike?
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Post by alongwalkhome » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:21 pm

It's very hippie crunchy.

No offense to those who attended, etc.

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Post by gloom button » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:23 pm

I don't even know what hippie crunchy means! But, free-associatively, I think that fits my completely unfounded image of it.
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Post by cuppie » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:46 pm

i know two people who went there and i have stringent antipathy and dislike towards them both, although i pretend to be friends with them. and those two have all these other friends who made the mass migration from oberlin to brooklyn by means of being the worst kinds of hipsters. i wish they were crunchers. instead they're the absolute epitome of the image conscious hipster who doesn't care about anything except what they're supposed to look like they're caring about, if you know what i mean. not like jason molina t all.

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Post by alongwalkhome » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:09 pm

I agree. I think the ones who came to Boston were of the straight-up Birkenstock and prairie-skirt variety and make their first million starting companies that print their annual reports using organic soy-based ink on recycled inner tubes.

The real hipster ones move to Brooklyn or San Fran and open vegan cupcake bakeries and manage electronic bands.

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Post by Emilie » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:39 pm

I applied there and got waitlisted, so I guess I must have liked it...but not enough to fly there and convince them to take me...

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Post by quaycur » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:42 am

I went to a college that was sort of Oberlin-like, although my college would, I suppose, be considered a little harder-edged than Oberlin - we had less crunchy hippies and more gothy kids, angry-arty upper Eastsiders, meth-heads and incestuous lesbians. I was really miserable the entire time i was at my college, because of the nastyhipster quotient. Colleges that are like this: Oberlin, Sarah Lawrence (hi alma mater!), Reed, Bard, Emerson, Vassar (to an extent), Mills, Evergreen. There are probably more....

The plus side of such schools is the individual attention from faculty (who tend to be really amazing scholars and people) and excellent education..which you can get if you can stick it out through the horrible social awkwardness and general malaise.

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Post by cuppie » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:48 am

oh no! you can't talk about bard and vassar in the same way like that. bard is a toilet for weirdos with kennedy accents and vassar is a total dream. when i was a freshman i wanted to transfer to vassar so bad it would keep me awake at night. they have a shakespeare garden for heavens sake. and the campus is just stunning. then again, i don't understand private universities or why they exist in the first place.

i think hampshire college in amherst could be on your list. it's awesome though. they had gender neutral bathrooms before gender neutral bathrooms were cool.

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Post by quaycur » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:55 am

Ah, yes, Hampshire. I knew I'd forgotten an important one.

And Vassar totally belongs on the list - I've met people from Vassar that were very Sarah Lawrence-like. And hey, I resemble that Bard remark, so watch it, missy! :P

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Post by cuppie » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:04 am

that can't be right! there's no way those 'publish or perish' schools are more likely to be public. hey monique did i tell you i saw the pope?

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Post by quaycur » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:15 am

unfortunately, they are. bigger, public universities tend to be much more focused on publication, largely because they're more often research-based. i don't think there are any smaller, private colleges that are as intensively research-focused - they tend to be more focused on teaching. of course, there are some private universities that emphasize research, but they tend to be bigger and not small-liberal-artsy schools, like the ones we're discussing.

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Post by cuppie » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:39 am

i always think of private schools as being the big ones, like harvard and what not. and then public schools as being the small ones, like the one i went to. i guess maybe around here that's mostly true. i think maybe i'd have a better grasp on collegiate reality if i watched college football. the thought of college football has just reminded me of all those big nasty public schools. still it doesn't have to be like that! private health care, private education, next we'll be privately paving our own roads.. it's all pretty gross to me.

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Post by quaycur » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:03 am

Ah, I see what you're saying. The history of private versus public education is complicated, and each has their own benefit and drawbacks. There is a substantial difference between private schools like Harvard and Princeton (which are hugely research-oriented, yes) and the smaller schools we're talking about, which do very little research.There's a whole ranking system for universities based on research versus teaching. Harvard probably has a very high research requirement, though I'm not sure if private schools go by the same ranking system as public. My school is a research 1, meaning the faculty are supposed to spend anywhere from 70-80% of their time researching, whereas Oberlin is a teaching college and probably has a low research requirement. This is part of the difference between "universities" and "colleges" as well - my undergrad college had some researchers, but it's main function is undergrad education. I'm sure the professors at your school have some sort of research requirement, though probably not as high as UW (i think yours is a research 2). And yeah, I don't prefer private on principle..on principle, I prefer public schools, I just can't see myself teaching at most of them, because most of them have a higher research requirement than I like (with the exception of community colleges, which are a whole different ball of spaghetti).

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Post by gloom button » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:14 am

Incidentally, it seems that Jason Molina went to Oberlin on some sort of scholarship rather than being able to afford whatever it costs to go to a private university. I can't imagine him being awfully hipster or anything. Eh, not that I have him on a pedestal or anything, no sir.
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Re: oberlin college

Post by nanski » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:09 am

isn't oberlin the first college to accept women?

i knew a couple of people who went there. one was incredibly crunchy/hippy and definitely not a hipster. the other was a korean-american who used to do things like get really drunk and piss out of trees.
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Post by aorta » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:25 am

nanski wrote:isn't oberlin the first college to accept women?
Franklin College (now Franklin and Marshall College) accepted women in 1787, but quickly abandoned the coed policy due to money problems. Oberlin is the longest continuously operating coeducational school.
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