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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by crystalball » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:38 am

meepmeep wrote:Nationality doesn't really matter to me, what matters is the society we create together. I don't care if I'm Swedish or English or whatever. But if I was to live in England I would definitely apply to become a citizen asap, to really feel part of what's going on, especially since both Sweden and England accept double citizenship and I could still be a Swedish citizen.
That's exactly how I feel. It's just that when you've made a conscious decision to go and live somewhere (or stay somewhere for that matter), it's important to make the effort. Becoming a British citizen wouldn't really make any difference to my life apart from giving me the chance to vote at the national elections and adding another passport to my collection. Pledging allegiance to the Queen won't affect the way I feel about monarchy and, if anything, I'd be able to do something about it when I'm a citizen.

I haven't looked at the test yet but I'll buy the books in a couple of weeks. I am hoping it's all going to be about Corrie, the weather and the distance between London and Sheffield.

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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by Your Funny Uncle » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:58 am

It really is ridiculous... I don't know what percentage of questions you need to get right, but I sure didn't know all of them....

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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by a layer of chips » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:05 pm

It's something mental like 80 per cent, isn't it?

There was something about this on The One Show the other night.

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Post by meepmeep » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:32 pm

I think you should be given British citizenship if you watch three (or more) of these daily:

Coronation Street
Emmerdale
Eastenders
Hollyoaks

And eat chips with everything.

Then you will at least be like about 95% of the population. Or something.
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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by Your Funny Uncle » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:48 pm

Oh crap. I don't watch any soaps, and I only have chips occasionally... Can British citizenship be revoked?

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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by Martijn » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:39 pm

Jono Volpone wrote:I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, but I'd be intrigued to know what you don't like about the Netherlands. It is without doubt one of my favourite countries, and the Dutch people are generally really lovely, friendly, and laid back. It is without doubt one of the countries in which I'd most like to live. But I'm naive! What are you not keen on, and how does NL compare to GB for you?
Firslty, I'd like to make clear that I didn't leave the country because I hated it so much, nor do I feel a deep dislike for it in general. For the past year or so, my answer to your question has been 'The Netherlands are better organised, but England is so much more interesting.' I still think that sums it up pretty well. You should keep in mind that a big part the Netherlands --most of 'Holland', where the major cities are-- consists of lakes, marshes or even sea turned into land. This man-madeness has found its way into Dutch society long ago and describes the pragmatic-yet-ulitmately-careless (easily misunderstood for tolerant-and-liberal) nature of the Dutch. We --for, I mean to give an accurate picture of 'us, the Dutch', rather than bemoan certain Dutch people-- won a dozen of Nobel prizes in physics and chemistry, but none for literature. Furthermore, we suffer from something once described as 'crypto-chauvinism': we are so good because we don't think so highly of ourselves.

Finally, another thing that plays a role is the fact that many people here in England --especially the more educated ones I tend to meet-- have this over-positive image of the country. I have a natural tendency to support the underdog England is when it comes to 'nice countries with nice people'.

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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by Sootyzilla » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:51 pm

I think citizenship should be given to anyone with the common sense to tell the government to stick their poxy test up their arses.
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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by meepmeep » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:19 pm

I looked at that website which gave some information of the test and what you need to learn (for instance: you should specifically know what a Scouser is - but is that really relevant?) and I must say that I wouldn't be so sure that the average British person (by that I mean a person born in Britain) would be able to pass the test. I'm not sure I would if it was a similar test for Sweden. Also, the suggestion of such tests here has been massively slagged off and laughed at. I think it's in a way patronising to tell people that they need to know things that the already established inhabitants probably don't know. Maybe they should test everyone and if you don't pass you should lose your citizenship! Ha!
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Post by Gordon » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:07 pm

Weighing in quite late here, but I also don't think the tests are an entirely bad idea and having taken it and passed, it's nice to have it over with.

Luckily loads of laws have changed since the book came out so they don;t as you those ones... Nothing about Scousers on my test either.
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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by nanski » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:43 am

I'm really struggling with Japanese at the moment. It doesn't help that I've appeared to be caught in the middle of an epic battle to get Japanese lessons offered where I work.

I need to practice more, but at the moment, my heart isn't in it. :(
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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by cuppie » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:54 am

I take Czech class once a week with my elderly Australian colleague, Dorothy. We try so hard and study a lot and do our homework dilligently and our teacher is easygoing but Czech is so goddamn hard that something happens in class every week that nearly brings us to tears. Last week it was learning that you need different possesive pronouns for different cases. Oh yeah, not just changing for gender and number, but for the motherfucking different cases, of which there are 7. I thought I would cry, except that I was laughing. Anyway we discovered this because Dorothy tried to say that she calls her children, and then the teacher had to change her entire sentence. Before she had a chance Dorothy spoke up with anger and frustration and said "Can't I just call my children?!" I couldn't hold in my laughter and it took everything in my power to not tell her that the dingo took her children. Maybe it doesn't seem that funny but I laugh every time I think of it.

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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by andyroo » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:27 pm

I learned some Irish earlier in the year, and begorrah it was hard.

It didn't help that the classes were on just before my Spanish classes. So I kept saying things like "si" instead of "ta" which got even more confusing, and the teacher kept laughing at me.

At least I can pronounce Irish words now, so I did get something out of it, althought my conversation's basically stuck as "conas atá tu?" "Ta me go maith" "Slán". Which is as much as most so-called Irish speakers can manage anyway, so on ye go.
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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by crystalball » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:59 pm

Has anyone ever tried a Michel Thomas course? In the unbearable boredom that is tonight, I downloaded Japanese for beginners and I'm tempted to give it a go.

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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by Sootyzilla » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:30 pm

How can you be bored? Don't you have a Depeche Mode record to dance to?
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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by SwansonG » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:05 am

crystalball wrote:Has anyone ever tried a Michel Thomas course? In the unbearable boredom that is tonight, I downloaded Japanese for beginners and I'm tempted to give it a go.
Just now, the english for beginners. .. hum hum hum. Yes, never too late to be able to say : "I'm going to the Popfest! But can you tell me where is it? I'm totaly lost in London!"

Is the Japanese method also with the woman and man as learners ?

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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by nanski » Fri May 22, 2009 7:56 am

crystalball wrote:Has anyone ever tried a Michel Thomas course? In the unbearable boredom that is tonight, I downloaded Japanese for beginners and I'm tempted to give it a go.
heh. you probably already speak japanese better than me.
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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by roundbitsofplastic » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:19 pm

I've been toying with the idea of signing up for a Spanish course (again), but I;ve always been shit at learning anything, and I don't know if I can commit to learning lots and lots so as to be any good. And if I'm not going to be any good I won;t have any confidence at all to speak, then I'll forget it all and it'll be a waste of time and money.

Bah. I've been putting this off for WEEKS and I have to sign up by Sat at the latest :-/
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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by Elvistears » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:53 pm

roundbitsofplastic wrote:I've been toying with the idea of signing up for a Spanish course (again), but I;ve always been shit at learning anything, and I don't know if I can commit to learning lots and lots so as to be any good. And if I'm not going to be any good I won;t have any confidence at all to speak, then I'll forget it all and it'll be a waste of time and money.

Bah. I've been putting this off for WEEKS and I have to sign up by Sat at the latest :-/
That sounds like a bit of anxiety thinking, and procrastination Ray - is there any good stuff that could come out of it?
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Re: learning foreign languages

Post by roundbitsofplastic » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:36 pm

Elvistears wrote: That sounds like a bit of anxiety thinking, and procrastination Ray - is there any good stuff that could come out of it?
Well, it'll leave me £200 out of pocket and I'll be commit one day a week for the next academic year. And by the end of that I still won;t actually be able to speak Spanish. I just did the entry test and got a realy, really shit score.
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Post by Carys » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:57 pm

My mum's using a Michel Thomas German course alongside lessons and thinks it's brilliant - actually better than the lessons, she says.

There's a Spanish one you could almost certainly find online...

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