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Post by kingofpartick » Wed Jan 30, 2008 22:40

I know a couple of people have mentioned recording onto their computers, and i was wondering which programmes people use, and how they find them for ease of use/results. What hardware have you bought to interface between your computer and your instruments?

I have a Roland VS-890 multitrack, and its great, but i would like to get recording suite sorted on my new laptop so i have options for what i'm recording, and also have the ability to record whilst i am touring should i have the inclination/time.

I may have access to three different programmes including cubase and reason. I've seen pro-tools in use in studios but not sure how easy it would be to get cheap/free.
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Post by humblebee » Wed Jan 30, 2008 23:03

I use Tracktion (version 1) to record; I think it's meant for electronic music really but I love the intuitive interface. It doesn't have silly bevelled knobs and sliders on the screen or assume that you know how to use a massive desk or any of that crap. It's got all clever stuff in there as well, but it's tucked away so it doesn't get in the way if you're a hopeless amateur like me.

I haven't got any hardware. Except a midi box thing, which I bought in the laughably misguided belief that I would be able to figure out midi and make the electronic music that I wanted to make. If anyone wants to buy it cheap, let me know. I've only tried to use it about twice.

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Post by kingofpartick » Wed Jan 30, 2008 23:11

how much was it?

i have been recommended some bits and bobs by kenny obscura, but it was just before my last laptop broke, and i haven't had a working computer for so long, its been pointless thinking about it until now. I reckon the only hardware i'll need will be one of those usb box things that allow you to put jack inputs into your computer, cause pretty much everything i would ever want to put down would come via one of them. I do fancy using some midi, but i don't know too much about it other than i was told one of the programmes i could be gifted only uses midi, so i couldn't use guitars and the like.
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Post by tompony » Thu Jan 31, 2008 07:33

Cubase will do everything you want to do and I've always found it fairly intuitive. Reaper is a good free* alternative.
Reason is all synth / sampler based stuff with no real way to record audio unless you synch it up with another application.

* if you like it you're supposed to pay $50 to register it, but the evaluation version has no restrictions whatsoever

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Post by humblebee » Thu Jan 31, 2008 09:50

kingofpartick wrote:how much was it?
109 bloody quid!

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Post by gloom button » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:47

I have a not-totally-legitimate copy of Nuendo 2, which is amazing. I feel guilty sometimes 'cause I only use about 1% of what it can do, I'm sure, and then I just use one of those SM58 microphones to record everything to separate tracks.

I have to keep myself honest though by limiting the number of tracks I use and not get into that shite of trying to fix everything after the event with EQ and the rest of it. Just one microphone well placed is my new mantra. Mind you, all the rage these days is using internal microphones on laptops isn't it? I'm not sure I quite believe people can make things sound so polished like that, mind, unless they're using black magic.
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Post by tompony » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:51

Yeah, that Antarctica Takes It album sounds amazing, I'm not sure I entirely believe that it was all recorded on a built in laptop microphone. It's madness!

I like using all the effects I can get my hands on. However I have mostly stopped using my expensive microphone in favour of a plastic one I got from maplins for £3. It sounds better, sort of. In that kind of "worse but nicer" way.

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Post by humblebee » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:55

Built-in laptop microphones? Pah. That stuff is for wanky muso types. From now on it's the sound recorder on my mp3 player all the way!

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Post by tompony » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:10

I actually bought a cassette walkman / dictaphone thing with a built in mic the other day, just for deliberately recording things WORSE.

It's excellent!

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Post by gloom button » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:13

tompony wrote: I like using all the effects I can get my hands on. However I have mostly stopped using my expensive microphone in favour of a plastic one I got from maplins for £3. It sounds better, sort of. In that kind of "worse but nicer" way.
I had one of those expensive condenser microphones too. They show up every flaw in your voice, don't they?

I wish I had brought it with me to England for recording guitars though.

There's another forum I read where people talk very intelligently about cardoid patterns and things. It's ok just to point a microphone at something though, right?
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Post by crystalball » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:14

I think the best way is to do it is to forget about microphones and just sing through a pipe. A copper one, preferably.

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Post by gloom button » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:20

crystalball wrote:I think the best way is to do it is to forget about microphones and just sing through a pipe. A copper one, preferably.

Sorry.
Copper? Muso!
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Post by soft revolution » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:44

tompony wrote:I actually bought a cassette walkman / dictaphone thing with a built in mic the other day, just for deliberately recording things WORSE.

It's excellent!
I once recorded a whole Regulars gig using the headphones on my housemates minidisk player!

I then got it from minidisk to casette tape. I just need to figure out how to copy tape to MP3 so I can send it to Pete like what I've been meaning to for the last 4 years.
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by humblebee » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:49

Did you? Flipping heck.

I don't suppose it's got 'These Things Obscure' on, has it Dunc? Somebody was asking me a few months back if there was a copy of that anywhere...
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Post by soft revolution » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:52

How did that one go?

It had an early arrangement of Try, and Habrough on it. It was the gig where J Foundation supported at The Jug and you were bouncing around and bounced into Stu during the first song.

While we're doing requests, did anyone ever record The Ballad of Bad TV?
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by humblebee » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:55

It was another of those long semi-epic ones. It started off dead twee though. The first line was "A summer storm to end a slow and glowing day of poetry" or something.

Yeah, I've got a copy of 'The Ballad of Bad TV' recorded by Alan from Bearos somewhere.

Big thing about digitising tape recordings here, by the way.

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Post by Outcognito » Fri Feb 01, 2008 00:19

gloom button wrote:I had one of those expensive condenser microphones too. They show up every flaw in your voice, don't they?
We've had he same experience. With a previous recording band we tried a Rode - it did vocals no favours at all. The SM58 is all we use for recording vocals - it just seems to make them sound "right".
It's so easy when the door is wide open.

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Post by Sootyzilla » Mon Feb 04, 2008 20:46

crystalball wrote:I think the best way is to do it is to forget about microphones and just sing through a pipe. A copper one, preferably.
will you produce my album please?

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Post by MJHibbett » Mon Feb 04, 2008 22:21

I use Sony Acid Music Studio - just because I got a hooky copy a couple of years ago, but have just upgraded to the new version. It's cheap and it's dead easy to use, so I like it!

BUT the best thing I have EVER bought (terms and conditions apply) is my Boss Micro BR digital recorder. IT IS FANTASTIC. It's four track recorder (tho with 8 virtual tracks on each proper track, so 32 track really), an mp3 player, an effects unit, a mixer and a tuner and it's about as big as an iPod. It stores everything on flash cards so you can stick stuff straight into yr computer, oh, and it's got a microphone in it too. It's absolutely FAB, I've recorded ALL my demos on it since I had it AND my FAWM stuff AND my solo album, and then just dumped all the files into Acid to mix. I LOVES it to BITZ!

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Re: recording on computers

Post by Sootyzilla » Mon Feb 04, 2008 22:52

kingofpartick wrote:I know a couple of people have mentioned recording onto their computers, and i was wondering which programmes people use, and how they find them for ease of use/results. What hardware have you bought to interface between your computer and your instruments?
If you're not doing any sequencing, you might as well just use Audacity as a glorified four-track.

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