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Re: recording on computers

Post by Sootyzilla » Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:47 pm

James_B wrote:i was thinking about panning the bass one way or the other, but the idea of having the bass dead centre all the time is a hard one to shake.
don't pan it to one side, but pan it away from the middle, away from the bass drum, so you have equal amounts in each channel -- that way it still sounds balanced and doesn't irritate your ears.

if you listen to teenage fanclub on headphones for example, you'll often find the guitars are panned out quite wide in the stereo mix because you have all these loud instruments going on, and if they were all bang in the middle it would just be a mess.
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Re: recording on computers

Post by James_B » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:49 pm

on most recordings the bass is right down the centre though isn't it?
something to do with old fashioned vinyl pressing rules i heard.

also, how could i have it panned partially to one side and still have it equally in each channel? do you mean to pan the kick drum too? that would confuse the kit's stereo image loads, surely.

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Re: recording on computers

Post by bend sinister » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:05 pm

I have just got myspef a copy of IK Samplemoog - which is fab. Thing is, I can't figure out how to get Audacity to record it. Any tips?
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Re: recording on computers

Post by Sootyzilla » Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:14 pm

James_B wrote: also, how could i have it panned partially to one side and still have it equally in each channel? do you mean to pan the kick drum too? that would confuse the kit's stereo image loads, surely.
i mean pan it equally in both directions, so it's at (say) both four o clock and eight o clock, but not six o clock, if you know what i mean.
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Re: recording on computers

Post by James_B » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:02 pm

i'm still lost... panning a copy of one track equally in both directions is exactly the same as having it dead centre... unless you're talking about a bass track recorded in stereo?

i've been experimenting with that, with a condenser to catch the detail and a d12 copy to just get the low frequencies, but i haven't found that particularly successful so far.

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Re: recording on computers

Post by Sootyzilla » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:29 pm

James_B wrote:i'm still lost... panning a copy of one track equally in both directions is exactly the same as having it dead centre... .
no it's not -- try it and you'll see.
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Re: recording on computers

Post by James_B » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:35 am

to be honest, i can't hear a difference, apart from it being louder and perhaps perceived as 'bigger' thanks to there being two instances of the same take each running at the original volume.

that's with one track panned to -30 (L) in logic and the other panned to +30 (R)... if there's a difference it's incredibly subtle.

but whatever, if it works for you that's cool.

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Re: recording on computers

Post by Thee SPC » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:49 pm

I'm very excited at the mo, 'cos i've just set up my 'home studio' after it all sitting in bits in my attic for about three years!

I've got Cubase 5, a Korg N5ex synth, an AKG condenser mic and a Spirit Folio FX8 mixing desk. All very snazzy!

The only problem is that I alway start off saying "right I'm gonne record an indiepop classic" and they turn out, well, nothing like indepop at all :(

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Re: recording on computers

Post by postalblue » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:48 pm

I have been using Sonar and Win 98 for years. I've done an album and two EPs with that set up. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

My soundcard is an Aardvark PRO 2496. Aardvark's gone out of business, but I've never had a single problem with the soundcard, so it's ok. It has a breakout box with 4 pretty good preamps which I use for everything. It can also record up to 4 tracks at a time. If you don't mind doing a little bit of work to set everything up, you can get amazing sound quality with this little baby for next to nothing, as people are practically giving them away on ebay.

I do use midi, though I'm not an expert. I have an M-Audio midi interface connecting my COM to my little Alesis Micron, which doubles as synth and midi controller. I can get decent latency by setting things carefully inside Sonar.

Sonar works great as both sequencer and multitrack recorder. I usually do lots of processing and automating during mixing, and I've gotten used to it all, so I don't even think of changing to something else.

It's a great setup, though it could be a lot better if I had a faster computer with loads more RAM and a bigger HD, but I can't be arsed messing with any of it.
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Re: recording on computers

Post by let it ride » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:14 pm

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh I feel like my brain is about to implode. I HATE ALL THESE BLOODY MACHINES, I just want to record music decently!

I usually just record piano via USB which is ok apart from that it stops during recording if you play too fast (!!), and do all vocals on my built-in-mic on my macbook but it is so damn noisy and hissy.

I got a nice guitar amp, a nice guitar (and I also want to record my electric steel slide guitar + acoustic guitar), a good microphone and all, and was somehow hoping that "live" recording through the buit-in-mic would work. Of course not, it sounds bloody awful, like my tape recordings when I was 14. So I try maybe figuring out how to do it through my Fostex MR-8 recorder but I didn't have any of the right memory cards, and even though I could connect it through a USB Garageband wouldn't acknowledge its existence. ARGH.

So I guess i need some sort of Firewire or USB audio interface that can record straight into my computer, but have normal music wire-ends. No I don't know the right terms for them either.

Anyway, it is making me want to cry and kick at stuff at once because I just want to record, but it's so damn tricky and it's turning out crappily. HELP WANTED!
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Re: recording on computers

Post by let it ride » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:16 pm

Ah, I am looking at this page:
http://www.soundslive.co.uk/categories~ ... ~ID~80.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But I have NO IDEA about ANYTHING. It is confusing and snazzy and I feel completely lost.
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Re: recording on computers

Post by let it ride » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:36 pm

I'm not sure what a mug's game is, but I take it it means difficult/silly/wrong. Actually, that looks great! Thank you so much for reading through my imploding brain post. I just felt tired after spending an hour wrapped up in wires, plugging in and out different things and not getting any good results. Sometimes a really lo-fi quality can be cute, but for me it just sounds bad as I'm not a skilled enough guitarist to get away with it.

I'm going to have a browse around, I got some more recommendations via facebook. Clean is what I want, and indeed a microphone is a shame to waste. This is the first one I have that I have paid for, so I want to use it!
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Re: recording on computers

Post by Concrete » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:25 pm

There are loads around, but basically they do the same things. I don't have one personally, but I have a PCMCIA soundcard (one that goes in one of those big slots on the side of a laptop) and a mixer with mic preamps, so I don't really need anything else.

Looks like you can get something good for the right side of £100 anyway.

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Re: recording on computers

Post by kingofpartick » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:58 am

i'm still needing to get a USB input thing for the computer for recording purposes. I'd like one that does midi as well as line ins.

i've been recommended m audio audiophile ones, but i'm going to have to wait till payday i think before making any more purchases.

Any suggestions as to which one to go for gratefully received. I'd rather not spend stupid money, and i hear decent basic ones are falling to around the £50-60 price range
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Re: recording on computers

Post by let it ride » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:58 am

gloom button wrote:
Astrid, not that I'm an expert, but I think maybe you just need one of these or something like it - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's a pre-amp and basically you stick one end into a USB port and that powers it, and your guitar cables and mic cables go in the front end. You can record two tracks at the same time and it's all clean and no hiss or anything. And I can use it so it must be simple enough. It's a shame to let your nice microphone go to waste. Recording straight into your computer is a mug's game.
I got that one delivered today! Very exciting, I can't wait to try it out! Thank you so much for the tip David, it looks great and easy to work with.
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Re: recording on computers

Post by let it ride » Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:08 pm

let it ride wrote:
gloom button wrote:
Astrid, not that I'm an expert, but I think maybe you just need one of these or something like it - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's a pre-amp and basically you stick one end into a USB port and that powers it, and your guitar cables and mic cables go in the front end. You can record two tracks at the same time and it's all clean and no hiss or anything. And I can use it so it must be simple enough. It's a shame to let your nice microphone go to waste. Recording straight into your computer is a mug's game.
I got that one delivered today! Very exciting, I can't wait to try it out! Thank you so much for the tip David, it looks great and easy to work with.
Tip: When I think something is easy because someone else can do it quite easily, it might mean that it will take me bloody ages to get it.

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Re: recording on computers

Post by jannerboy » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:12 am

Any Ableton Live users out there? This is quite exciting..

http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_8/announcement/home

They've just announced Live 8 - out in the summer. The first version to include a web collaboration function.

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Re: recording on computers

Post by James_B » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:00 am

i use a crack of ableton to fuck around with and irritate neighbours by layering a stupid number of random loops, but i've never really used it seriously.
for a while i was considering buying it when i was in the habit of actually trying to make music with it, but maybe i'm just too used to doing things linearly after using logic for so long, i think i should've taken more time learning how to use the warping effects and stuff though.

i like the look of having a looper instrument on there, i'm always thinking of getting a dedicated hardware pedal to do live guitar loops with, but doing it via a MIDI pedal would be pretty sweet too.

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Re: recording on computers

Post by jannerboy » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:18 pm

I've been playing around with Live8, and the looper tool is a lot of fun. The advantage being it's a lot easier to integrate your loops with other midi instruments / sound clips. You can even drag and drop the loops as soundclips, and so take snapshots as you build up the sound collage.

One of the best things about Ableton is it's versatility - it's designed for performance / improvisation, as well for use as a recording suite (you can also use it to DJ, but I'll think i'll stick to vinyl).

Oh, here's my first attempt at dabbling with looper, using an FCB1010 foot controller - a bit shambolic, but you get the general idea...


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Re: recording on computers

Post by James_B » Tue May 12, 2009 6:36 pm

the looper function looks very fun, i'm very tempted to buy live 8 almost exclusively for that... when you consider the cost of a decent loop pedal and all the additional stuff you can do in live its a pretty good deal... but then i guess anything i do with the looper on my line 6 delay is never much more than incredibly fun for me but infinitely more annoying for anyone else in ear shot.

but anyway, i'm after some headphones... i've got a pair of equation audio rp21s and i love them to bits, but i stood on them and broke a 10 pence piece of plastic on the headband which ruined my £90 pair of headphones. i'm caught between getting another pair or getting something like sennheiser hd25s, which i've heard great things about but wasn't quite blown away by when i tried them out.

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