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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by holyzombiejesus » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:38 pm

I prefer to give the inhabitants a say
Before you blow their town away
I like to watch them play
I like to marvel at the random beauty of a simple village girl
Why should she be the one who’s killed?
I also like IYFYCIL but these are some of the shittest lyrics SM's ever committed to vinyl.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by noLooking » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:01 pm

holyzombiejesus wrote:I also like IYFYCIL but these are some of the shittest lyrics SM's ever committed to vinyl.
Yeah, I can't stand that bit. I perhaps have a less nuanced view on the song generally though.
This Is Helena wrote:Surely none are as bad as Track 3?
Are we still talking about DCW? See, I think all the first side is brilliant, "If She Wants Me" included (which is unlikely to go down well, but there it is). It gets a bit more ropey for me on the second side, Lord Antony and Wrapped Up in Books aside.

Not that I think it's bad, but the first side is just all classics, Step Into My Office included. I like pretty much all of "The Life Pursuit" n'all.

*dons body armour*

And if we're talking about another track 3, I can't really think of many bad ones.

"Night Walk" is a bit shit and "Calculating Bimbo" is just bollocks, but aside from that, they may have the best record on track 3s that I can think of. I haven't really thought that through though.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by holyzombiejesus » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:45 pm

Beyond The Sunrise is their worst number 3; shit even by Stevie's risible standards (presuming he wrote it).

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by ian » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:48 am

I agree those lyrics are pretty weak, but generally I like the bounce of IYFYCIL

I also don't have a huge problem with Track 3 - Beyond The Sunrise - I assume it was written by Isobel, and it was a first draft of what she'd go on to perfect with Mark Lanegan. It doesn't really work but her intention was sound, and she got that idea very right later on.

Nice Day For A Sulk, from the same album, is loads worse than Track 3. That song was the first chink in the armour for me.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by holyzombiejesus » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:05 am

ian wrote:
Nice Day For A Sulk, from the same album.... That song was the first chink in the armour for me.
Particularly following Chalet Lines. Talking of which, does anyone remember the review of FYH... in NME?
while 'Chalet Lines' is a minimal, brittle sketch of half-forgotten romance.
http://www.nme.com/reviews/belle-and-sebastian/2344

I suppose that's one way of describing it...

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by noLooking » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:46 am

holyzombiejesus wrote:Beyond The Sunrise is their worst number 3; shit even by Stevie's risible standards (presuming he wrote it).
Yeah, I woke up today thinking that that pretty much holed my argument beneath the waterline.

It's funny, because my memory tells me that the NME absolutely slated Fold Your Hands, which goes to show how shit memory is.

Nice Day For A Sulk is my favourite song on that album as well. And Chalet Lines might be a bit dull but it does pack an emotional punch.

I just like all the ones that everyone else can't stand, basically.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by noLooking » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:55 am

holyzombiejesus wrote:
while 'Chalet Lines' is a minimal, brittle sketch of half-forgotten romance.
http://www.nme.com/reviews/belle-and-sebastian/2344

I suppose that's one way of describing it...
Blimey. There's nothing quite like showing that you haven't bothered listening to the record properly before you write about it in a national paper.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by This Is Helena » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:51 am

andyiong wrote:
This Is Helena wrote:Surely none are as bad as Track 3?
Are we still talking about DCW? [...]
No, Beyond the Sunrise. But I guess you've probably guessed that from the posts below yours. I was just kind of making a lame old joke anyway. I don't really hate any of their songs.
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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by noLooking » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:59 am

This Is Helena wrote: I don't really hate any of their songs.
At all? 'Roy Walker' makes me angry.

(Had to put quotes round that so it didn't look like I was having a pop at the erstwhile 'say what you see' Catchprase presenter and national treasure)

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by This Is Helena » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:05 am

Yeah, I quite like Roy Walker the song. Not so sure about the man.
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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by timahall » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:16 pm

Oh come on, If She Wanks Me is a million times worse than Beyond The Sunrise. ISWM is so bland it barely exists but still manages to annoy the hell out of me. I like Beyond The Sunrise, always have. What's there to dislike about it?! The deep vocals?

I also like Roy Walker. I will never understand why some people consider Stay Loose a classic though. To my ears it's a failed experiment with an utterly forgettable melody (i'm struggling to remember how it goes and i've listened to it tons of times). Who the hell needs Stay Loose when you have Your Cover's Blown, eh.

If You Ever Find Yourself Caught In Love is utterly wretched.

For one of my all-time favourite bands I really hate on B&S a lot. I'm off for a walk...

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by ruudboy » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:31 am

Well, my fears about the Somerset House playlist were misplaced. State I Am In, Stars of Track and Field, Seeing Other People, Get Me Away From Here, A Century of Elvis. Only one DCW song, DCW itself and some other stuff not done live often - Mornington Crescent, We Are The Sleepyheads. And the dancers weren't too toe curling.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by timahall » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:44 am

ruudboy wrote:Well, my fears about the Somerset House playlist were misplaced. State I Am In, Stars of Track and Field, Seeing Other People, Get Me Away From Here, A Century of Elvis. Only one DCW song, DCW itself and some other stuff not done live often - Mornington Crescent, We Are The Sleepyheads. And the dancers weren't too toe curling.
Wow, nice. Did Stuart David join them for A Century Of Elvis? I love Mornington Crescent, now they should play that more. Nice lack of DCW too.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by This Is Helena » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:09 am

It was Century of Fakers. They also played Nobody's Empire, Another Sunny Day and few more.
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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by Gordon » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:47 am

holyzombiejesus wrote:Beyond The Sunrise is their worst number 3; shit even by Stevie's risible standards (presuming he wrote it).
I forgot about that. Shiver.
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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by ruudboy » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:15 am

Yes, Fakers sorry. Duh.

Also an attempted cover of Town Like Malice. Stuart was talking about the Jam exhibition, and then decided to try playing a song he clearly didn't really know. Excellent stuff.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by noLooking » Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:43 pm

timahall wrote:Oh come on, If She Wanks Me is a million times worse than Beyond The Sunrise. ISWM is so bland it barely exists but still manages to annoy the hell out of me.
I listened to it today and I still love it. It's summery and relaxed and fun and has good lyrics in it like "it's no more than a genius deserves for all your curious nerve and your passion". Although if the title were changed to "If She Wanks Me", it would add a distinct sexual frisson to the song that it currently lacks.
timahall wrote:For one of my all-time favourite bands I really hate on B&S a lot.
Do you think there could be a market for Belle and Sebastian anger management? I'm picturing a room in some sort of municipal facility, filled with middle aged men scowling and muttering "Norah Jones" darkly into their collars.
holyzombiejesus wrote:Beyond The Sunrise is their worst number 3; shit even by Stevie's risible standards (presuming he wrote it).
Not sure if he did or not, but isn't it time that someone had a quiet word in Stevie's ear about his songs? Aside from "Wandering Alone", I can't think of a single one that doesn't occupy the area on my scale between 'passes the time' and 'genuinely offensive'. Perhaps he could be "gently persuaded" to reserve them for his solo records, where they could be safely quarantined and disposed of by experts?

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by islandhopper » Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:57 pm

Jonathan David is a wonderful Stevie song that I'd probably include among my favourite B&S numbers.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by noLooking » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:13 pm

I'm going to trigger an groundswell of pro-Stevie support aren't I?

I couldn't imagine them without him, mind. Just his songs.

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Re: Belle and Sebastian

Post by timahall » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:23 pm

Oh I like Stevie's songs. Jonathan David is indeed one of B&S' best and I also love Perfect Couples and I'm Not Living In The Real World. SM wrote all my least favourite B&S songs but all my favourites too.

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