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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by linus » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:26 pm

Jangloid Mark wrote:Urgh....X-Factor, something that really should get done for crimes against pop!!! Anyone that makes it through is 'encouraged' to lose any aspect of originality that they may have.

Don't believe me?

Think about the following (BIG selling) artists and then think (irrespective of whether you like them or not) 'if they had made it through to the later stages (which would be highly unlikely anyway), what advice would Cowell and his cronies give them :

David Bowie, The Sex Pistols, The Beatles, Morrissey, Kate Bush, Neil Young, Leonard Cohen, The Cure, Iron Maiden (I could imagine Cheryl Cole saying 'I think you should lose the guitars, or at least turn them down a lot), Bob Marley, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, Tracy Chapman....
um, but isn't that missing the point a bit, mark? those sort of performers never required a tv talent show to get along in life... some of them, could of course, gone on opportunity knocks or new faces both of which had musical turns... but they didn't need to then and performers don't need to now, those that do are working toward a particular form of fame and success... wrongly or rightly, who are we to judge? oh, we can, by voting

take those two talent shows of old, opportunity knocks gave the world paul daniels, little and large, les dawson, frank carson, lena zavaroni, pam ayres, max boyce, peters and lee and, a particular favourite of my nan's, tony monopoly...

new faces provided us with the chuckle brothers, victoria wood, dave allen, michael barrymore, roger de courcey and nookie bear, jim davidson, lenny henry and marti caine, amongst others

(thanks wikipedia for both those lists of names)

the relative merits of these performers varies wildly, the longevity of their careers likewise, some of these turns were fresh from practising at home in front of their mirrors (not a euphemism) and some were already veterans of working men's clubs and the chicken in a basket cabaret circuit (again, not a euphemism)...

x factor and most definitely britain's got talent are just modern day equivalents of those programme of olds... it's absolutely possible that just as an x factor winner might turn out to be a jim davidson, we could also discover a victoria wood

I wouldn't worry about what simon cowell would've made of iron maiden, they wouldn't have been arsed to do a show like that but that also doesn't mean that a performer who does isn't going to amount to something (more attractive to flaming aesthetes like us) along the way, time will tell

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by indiansummer » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:43 pm

andy's just posted pretty much everything i was going to say

getting angry about things like X Factor seems such a redundant exercise; it's about celebrating the marketable. it's worlds away from what i actually take from music... but then again it doesn't really register as music so much as light entertainment to me. Cowell's never really claimed to know anything about music but he knows what's worth taking a risk on as a sellable product. so in a way it's just QVC for desperate singers in love with the idea of celebrity, with added edited-in drama

admittedly i watch it myself... i'm not sure why. most likely because Sarah likes it, and there's nothing else on so it seems to be easy enough to fall into the staged compulsion of it all. even if that means i just spend the evening going, "they're shit... he's shit... she's got a good voice but this song is shit... he's just annoying... haha, he's a bit novelty... thus is shit..."

watching the X Factor, for me, is like a peek into anotehr world; one i imagine to be inhabited by people for whom music isn't essential or vital but rather a way to pass the time, like the ones in work, with whom you try to avoid music-based conversations

so it's in my life to a degree, but i can't say it affects me one way or another. nor the music i like. it's not for me. it exists at the same time as what i like, but they're so far removed from each other you can barely consider them worthy of comparison

incidentally, i'd fucking love it if Tracy Chapman went on X Factor, just so someone could point out that she's boring as fuck
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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by islandhopper » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:47 pm

I've thought of investigating Robyn a bit more in the past but will definitely be doing so soon then. I like that it's the same Robyn whose perfume makes an appearance in Show Me Love/Fucking Amal as well.

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Post by a layer of chips » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:48 pm

Show me Love/Fucking Anal!?

Good lord have mercy.

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:49 pm

I'm also having my doubts about Morrissey lining up for seventeen hours outside the GMEX to audition for X Factor. Although he has a welter of sob stories to get him through to boot camp, I guess.

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by islandhopper » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:50 pm

a layer of chips wrote:Show me Love/Fucking Anal!?

Good lord have mercy.
It's the best way to show your love.[

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by indiansummer » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:50 pm

islandhopper wrote:Show Me Love/Fucking Amal
is that any good? i've seen Together and that was brill, but this one looks like a totally different tone that i might enjoy a bit less

as for pop, she's already been mentioned (by me), but Tightrope by Janelle Monae is TOPZ for me.
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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by indiansummer » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:51 pm

a layer of chips wrote:I'm also having my doubts about Morrissey lining up for seventeen hours outside the GMEX to audition for X Factor. Although he has a welter of sob stories to get him through to boot camp, I guess.
"that Steven's awful, isn't he? This year's Jedward"
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Post by scarvesandcharm » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:52 pm

islandhopper wrote:I've thought of investigating Robyn a bit more in the past but will definitely be doing so soon then. I like that it's the same Robyn whose perfume makes an appearance in Show Me Love/Fucking Amal as well.
Aye, the English release of Fucking Amal was renamed after Robyn's Max Martin produced 90s hit Show Me Love which plays at the very end.
a layer of chips wrote:Show me Love/Fucking Anal!?

Good lord have mercy.
A Swedish friend of mine's theory is that it was renamed to avoid English people making that very joke. Amal is the small town in Sweden where it's set. It's a very sweet teenage lesbian love story so there's definitely no anal involved.
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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:52 pm

Hey, lesbians have anal feelings too.

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by islandhopper » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:53 pm

indiansummer wrote:
islandhopper wrote:Show Me Love/Fucking Amal
is that any good? i've seen Together and that was brill, but this one looks like a totally different tone that i might enjoy a bit less
It's bloody wonderful. One of my favourite films I think. Sweet and sad and charming and funny.

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:56 pm

indiansummer wrote:"that Steven's awful, isn't he? This year's Jedward"
- "Hello, who are you?"

- "My name's Stephen
The last night on Maudlin Street
goodbye house
goodbye stairs
I was born here
I was raised here, and
...I took some stick here
love at first sight
may sound trite
but it's true, you know
I could list the details
of everything you ever wore
or said, or how you stood that day
and as we spend the last night
on Maudlin Street, I say
"goodbye house-forever!"
I never stole a happy hour
around here
Where the world's ugliest boy
became what you see
here I am - the ugliest man
Its the last night on Maudlin Street
and truly I do love you
oh, truly I do love you
When I sleep with that picture of
you framed beside my bed
oh, it's childish and it's silly
but I think it's you in my room
by the bed (...yes, I told you it was silly...)
and I know
I took strange pills
but I never meant to hurt you
oh truly I love you
I came home late one night
everyone had gone to bed
nobody stays up for you
when you have sixteen stitches
all around your head
the last buss I missed to Maudlin Street
so, he drove me home in the Van
complaining: "Women only like me for my mind..."
don't leave your torch behind
power-cuts ahead
as we crept through the park
but no I cannot steal a pair of jeans
off a clothesline for you
but you...without clothes
oh I could not keep a straight face
me - without clothes?
well a nation turns its back and gags...
I'm packed
I am moving house
a half-life disappears today
every slag waves me on
(secretly wishing me gone
well, I will be soon
oh - I will be soon)
There were bad times on Maudlin Street
when they took you away in a police car
dear Inspector - don't you know?
don't you care?
don't you know - about Love?
Your gran died
and your mother died
on Maudlin Street
in pain and ashamed
with never time to say
those special things
I took the keys from Maudlin Street
well, it's only bricks and mortar!
and...truly I do love you
wherever you are
wherever you are"

- "Stephen, you're through"

*Stephen breaks down and throws flowers at Dermot O'Weary on his way out*

(names changed to protect the innocent)

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by linus » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:56 pm

together and lilya forever and show me love are great, aren't they?

I really wish I'd picked up that 3 film box set fopp had (for a tenner)

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by indiansummer » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:59 pm

a layer of chips wrote:- "Hello, who are you?"...

...

- "Stephen, you're through"

*Stephen breaks down and throws flowers at Dermot O'Weary on his way out*
sigh, i remember it well

lost out massively to Iron Maiden though, didn't he?
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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by indiansummer » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:59 pm

fogofideas wrote:together and lilya forever and show me love are great, aren't they?

I really wish I'd picked up that 3 film box set fopp had (for a tenner)
defo need to see the latter two!
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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:00 pm

indiansummer wrote:
a layer of chips wrote:- "Hello, who are you?"...

...

- "Stephen, you're through"

*Stephen breaks down and throws flowers at Dermot O'Weary on his way out*
sigh, i remember it well

lost out massively to Iron Maiden though, didn't he?
How can you compete with the sad tale of slaughtering your own daughter? It tugs at me every time.

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by linus » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:02 pm

indiansummer wrote:lost out massively to Iron Maiden though, didn't he?
well, they had the nan's on side, didn't they? the nan's and the grandma's... once you've got them frothing at the gash over your every move you've won it all, as far as I'm concerned

morrissey just didn't have nan appeal, despite his attempts at wooing them with his hearing aid and the glads

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by islandhopper » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:05 pm

fogofideas wrote:together and lilya forever and show me love are great, aren't they?

I really wish I'd picked up that 3 film box set fopp had (for a tenner)
I got the 4 disc one for a tenner in Fopp. It also has A Hole In My Heart which I haven't watched yet. I don't know if I want to.

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:07 pm

A Hole in my Arse?

Good lord have mercy!

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Re: chart pop / RnB

Post by indiehorse » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:08 pm

Ooh, it's this blog again. I like this blog.

Rather than deconstructing the validity popular entertainment shows, I think I shall just confess my love for this current pop gem:



Also, rather looking forward to the Cee-Lo Green album released next week.

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