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Re: the mountain goats' own thread

Post by squirrelboutique » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:10 pm

Streaming All Eternals Deck has made my Monday brighter.

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Post by squirrelboutique » Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:27 pm

And the album arrived yesterday! I wasn't expecting it till next week or the week after. The cassette with the demos is outstanding. I'm crossing all of my crossable body parts in hopes that MG will be somewhere near somewhere I am this summer (or maybe fall?). Yes.

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Post by sideburnsjim » Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:55 pm

I have tickets for Brighton with my girlfriend, and for London on my own. I can't wait.

Anyone interested in a meet up for the Koko gig. I dont really want to be a billy no-mates!!!

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Post by squirrelboutique » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:03 pm

My love for John Darnielle has grown even more because of the hashtag he created on twitter today to distract himself from release day chaos. There have been some amazingly funny tweets, and I'm not a big fan of twitter at all.

#liesaboutsnakes

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Post by RITH » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:08 pm

http://www.mountain-goats.com/archives/ ... ng-to.html

New song, for free.

http://soundcloud.com/mergerecords/the- ... ts-cry-for
II was going to begin, "Dear world," but then I thought, that's really hopelessly arrogant, the whole world is not reading this, maybe get that ego in check a little there JD. "Dear Mountain Goats people?" Presumes on the goodwill of the reader. Makes all kind of presumptions really. Just no. Maybe "Dear world" is actually correct, theoretically that's who I'm addressing: anybody who cares to listen, no matter where they are? I don't know, though. I have political objections to "Dear world," there is no need to go into them here. "Dear You"? Permanent dibs to Jawbreaker. "Dear Mr. Jesus?" Grievous misread in tone, also maybe even more presumptuous. "Dear Mr. Morgan, my 8th grade math teacher"? A clear frontrunner, but unpopular in camp.

So hey umm it is with great pride that the Mountain Goats present to you one of the 12 songs from our new record, Transcendental Youth. (If you want to pre-order the album and get the bonus 7" that comes with the first thousand or so copies of it, you can do that here; the two songs on the 7" will eventually make their way to iTunes.) This here album track, anyway, is called "Cry for Judas," it is about survival but that's kind of an oversimplification, it's also about building a vehicle from the defeated pieces of the thing you survived and piloting that vehicle through the cosmos, it's kind of complicated but people who know what I'm talking about will kind of intuitively get the idea and the rest of you will I hope be able to get a sense of it through the song. You can grab it for free here, and if you dig its groove and wanna throw us a dollar about it, iTunes has it here & we thank you kindly. As I said yesterday, my portion of the proceeds will mainly be spent on candy, specifically Grape Vines. I don't know what Wurster and Hughes will do with theirs, it is not my business, but I know one of them is fond of cake.

Hope you enjoy the tune & see you soon!

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Post by deerful » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:41 pm

Maybe it's the horn section, but I think Cry For Judas might actually be my favourite tMG song ever.

I also can't believe I didn't know there was a Mountain Goats thread here, I'd have been flooding it with posts since I joined if I had.
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Post by sideburnsjim » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:15 pm

It's bloody awesome!

Although my wife, on hearing the horns in the intro and not knowing it was a MG song, commented "have UB40 reformed for the olympics" :(

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Post by squirrelboutique » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:55 pm

Genius.
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Post by deerful » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:57 pm

Aaaargghggghgghhhh AMAZING. There should be a series of these.
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Re: the mountain goats' own thread

Post by fads » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:31 am

Transcendental Youth dropped in the mail the other day.

It's awfully good.

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Post by RITH » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:34 am

Is it? After reading this review by Scott Creney on Collapse Board I wasn't too tempted to listen, because I agree with the general decline in quality over the past few years.

http://www.collapseboard.com/reviews/al ... uth-merge/

I do want to be convinced though. I used to love the Mountain Goats.

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Post by fads » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:11 pm

Well, I think that’s an incredibly lazy (and insulting) review playing to the whole “I liked it better when he shouted into a boombox” style of reviewing that’s dogged John Darnielle ever since he stopped shouting into a boombox. It doesn’t assess any aspect of the fact that the music and arrangements behind the lyrics are superb, and new to tMG, and exciting as a result. It doesn’t take into account the themes of the songs or the way the whole album hangs together as a ‘concept’. It doesn’t even really discuss the lyrics, despite the reviewer stating their importance – the guy uses two examples, one weak, one strong. (and for the record, ‘days like dominoes’, is not the highlight.)

If you’re going to assess the record on its lyrical content only (which, whilst unfair, is understandable) then you need to look at songs that do exactly what JD is good at. On ‘Lakeside view…’ he sings:

‘and john… John comes by
To drop off his envelopes.
Still playing postman
After all these years ‘


It’s not a clever, dense reference, like the ‘dominoes’ line, but it’s brilliant in its ordinariness. This way of telling me about John in four lines and some off-hand references is exactly what the old songs used to do (it tells me he’s a pretty desperate character, still hanging on to the one meagre role he has in the setup, despite his age. i feel for him, wanting to be involved, but not getting his break... probably considered a bit pathetic by the other guys in the crew.) He's not mentioned again. He doesn't need to be.

One thing I didn’t like about All Eternals Deck was the celebrity songs – I couldn’t connect with them – but now that he’s referring to characters old (Jenny pops her back up) and new, I’ve got pictures in my head of what they’re like. I think this is why the reference to the Hold Steady cropped up - it's not often JD goes back to old characters (with the exception of the Alpha Couple)

‘Night Light’ is the one that references jenny again with the lines:
Jenny called from Montana,
She’s only passing through
Probably never see her again in this life, I guess.
Not sure what I’m gonna do’


Which, again, is a simple few lines that speaks volumes to me – it’s the first time we’ve heard of Jenny since AHWT and I instantly think of this young guy losing his friends (and from ‘Jenny’ it sounds like she was a real good friend) and resigning himself to never seeing them again. It’s basic, but then it’s the basic element of a lot of tMG that hits the hardest (the entire of Going to Georgia’ for example)… maybe the reviewer gets ‘unbearably moved’ by the subtle literary references, but I doubt it. At heart, most tMG fans are hit by the simplicity of his lines and situations. At least in my experience. This isn’t an album chock full of simple lyrics or similes (a lá All Hail West Texas) but they are in there, they just don’t dominate as much anymore.

The reason they don’t dominate is because of the music that surrounds them. And the music on this is great (of course it’s not as catchy as The Beautiful South. Nothing is as catchy as The Beautiful South!) and the arrangements are wonderful. There’s very little of the basic loud drumming or bass that plagued Heretic Pride and the songs seem to evolve. If you recall, on The Life of the World to Come, every song kinda started the way it finished (it was piano, or it was guitar. End.) whereas here a song might start with piano, and then bring some drums in or a kick-ass bassline or some horns. I like this aspect and I think if the reviewer thinks it’s ‘unsatisfying’, then I can only disagree. To each their own, however.

The last part of his review harks to the idea that bands he likes should make one good record and then quit. It’s an incredibly narcissistic viewpoint and one that i do not at all like. tMG are clearly doing what they want to do and they do it, in my opinion, very well still. As I’ve tried to demonstrate above, there are reasons why I like this record, more so than All Eternals Deck, and there are definitely enough reasons to keep fans on board, if not generate some more new ones.

That’s my two cents on why it’s great. Sorry for the length. If you used to like tMG, but don't dig on the newer stuff then you might not like it... just don't write a review that not only slams the record, but insults those who do like it ("...you’re not reading the right books. In fact, it’s entirely possible you aren’t reading at all.") and makes grand gestures about the future of a band that has done nothing but grow in fans over the years ("For John Darnielle that number continues to shrink with every new album.")

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Post by Gordon » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:23 pm

JD's been on two Judge John Hodgman podcasts. They are worth digging out, because he's a dude.
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Post by indiansummer » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:32 pm

i think the new MG album is a bit dull, to be honest, and it's got nothing to do with the lyrics or the fact that he's not shouting into a boombox any more

more just cos the tunes aren't particularly interesting
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Post by deerful » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:04 pm

fads wrote: The reason they don’t dominate is because of the music that surrounds them. And the music on this is great (of course it’s not as catchy as The Beautiful South. Nothing is as catchy as The Beautiful South!) and the arrangements are wonderful. There’s very little of the basic loud drumming or bass that plagued Heretic Pride and the songs seem to evolve. If you recall, on The Life of the World to Come, every song kinda started the way it finished (it was piano, or it was guitar. End.) whereas here a song might start with piano, and then bring some drums in or a kick-ass bassline or some horns. I like this aspect and I think if the reviewer thinks it’s ‘unsatisfying’, then I can only disagree. To each their own, however.
This is pretty much why I (clearly unpopularly) believe it might be his best album yet. I think he's still clearly developing as a musician, not just as a writer, which is a pretty great thing to witness. Anyway. Mostly dropping in to say I love it.
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Re: the mountain goats' own thread

Post by sideburnsjim » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:08 am

Fuck the shitty reviews. This album is great.

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Post by RITH » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:20 am

Thanks for the long defense there, fads! That's great and helpful for balance's sake. I'll give the new one a good try. If I keep the last two albums in mind though, I do tend to agree with the reviewer to a big extent, mainly: where are the TUNES?

Matter of taste, probably.

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Post by Gordon » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:25 am

It's on spotify.
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Post by MattH » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:18 am

I need help...

Which of the lovely Mountain Goats albums should I buy with money? I've only streamed there stuff and I love all I've heard so far. My favourite being the newest one.

Which one is the ultimate? The Sunset Tree? Heretic Pride?

There's too many of the feckers!
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Post by Gordon » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:55 pm

Tallahassee is the one everyone has. I like Heretic Pride, bute generally I haven;'found any duds (but I haven't gone through too much of the back catalogue).

Excited to hear John play on a recent Judge John Hodgman podcast, and feature as a final track on John Hodgman's latest audiobook.
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