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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by a layer of chips » Tue Feb 24, 2009 07:41

Hmm. I don't know I'd call This is England "sentimental"! The end is a bit mushy, granted.

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by fourclovers » Tue Feb 24, 2009 08:31

a layer of chips wrote:Hmm. I don't know I'd call This is England "sentimental"! The end is a bit mushy, granted.
So mushy it spoiled the whole film for me, it just left me a terribly bitter aftertaste of sentimental dung. It shouldn't have been there, not even as a vague idea while writing the film. I have no effing clue what the man was thinking. Then again, I suppose its a given that he didn't write the film for me.. so, well. It's ok I guess. One mans dung is another mans treasure as the ancient greeks so often proclaimed.

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by linus » Tue Feb 24, 2009 09:28

I don't get the 'sentimental' part you're referring to at all, he throws the english flag into the sea, he's (symbolically) rejecting patriotism/nationalism... how's that sentimental? as it's partly autobiographical it's not like meadows tagged on a fake happy ending to make everything alright- it's not a conventional happy ending at all- the character's rejected fascism and begun to face up to the death of his father- how's that sentimental? I don't get the bit about meadows not writing the film for you... because it's a british film? because you weren't a skinhead in the eighties?

there's some flaws in 'this is england' but asserting it's 'dung' because it has a sentimental ending... well, that seems like complaining 'psycho' is a bad movie because of the big song and dance numbers

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by indiansummer » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:38

I'm with Andy here... and even if he is rejecting nationalism, you're still left with a young kid facing up to the fact that he no longer knows what to believe in. So i'm not sure how sentimental that is.

i liked This Is England... i don't really get what you mean by
its a given that he didn't write the film for me
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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by fourclovers » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:45

Oh dear.

It's not just the ending, the mushyness (is that even a word?) i was referring has to do with a few scenes in the film where you are directed exactly into how to feel in a very forceful matter. It might be bad wording from my part though. In order to point out the specific scenes I would need to see it again since I guess I owe you guys an explanation on them. My memory is a mess and I really only remember the feelings that rose from those moments in the film so its hard going deeper into this. But I do abhor that sort of directing and for me it can spoil basically any film that is leaning towards storytelling with reflections of importance.

What I meant by the film not being written for me is that not everyone takes scenes like that the same way as I do, I know most don't, I'm not even sure why I need the feelings to rise naturally I just know that I do. That's not to say the film is useless, it had a lot of merits going for it. But I am not in awe thinking about it in retrospect. For me those directed emotional moments killed it. That's what I meant by sentimental dung and I guess the wording was a bit too strong in this case, especially since it's a very subjective remark in this case.

I haven't seen psycho so I can't comment on that one.

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by linus » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:09

we watched 'kamikaze girls' last night or 'shimotsuma monogatari'

it's a good five years old, I've since found out, but it seemed dead fresh and it's only recently come out on dvd in the uk

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it's a right lovely treat of a film about the odd couple friendship that grows between momoko, a fiercely independent loner into frilly 'rococco' fashion, embroidery and sweet things and ichigo, a tomboy biker with a poor vocabulary and a propensity to headbutt anyone who disagrees with her

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the film could be described as live manga, it's kind of cartoony and reminded me of the style of storytelling in the coen brothers 'raising arizona'

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the two leads are ace, momoko is sweetness and cold-hearted cuteness personified and ichigo reminded me of the sort of deep-voiced growly tough girl jodie foster or tatum o'neal might have played back in the day

there are crappy yakuzas, the world's most outlandish quiff, girl biker gangs and gangfights, pachinko, animated sequences, needlework and flying sequences

I really loved it, it was charming and proper funny

I hope 'taste of tea' comes out soon, I am itching to see that

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by Gordon » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:41

So... anyone seen Watchmen yet?
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Post by Gordon » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:44

Also, is anyone else looking forward to Armando Iannucci's 'In The Loop'?
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Post by alex_cornetto » Fri Mar 06, 2009 13:34

Gordon wrote:Also, is anyone else looking forward to Armando Iannucci's 'In The Loop'?
Quite a lot. I've been watching (and quoting) 'The Thick of It' almost constantly in anticipation.

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by SophieC » Fri Mar 06, 2009 13:48

are they ever going to release those two specials on DVD? they were about the best things my eyes have ever been cast over.
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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by cuppie » Fri Mar 06, 2009 14:00

JamieC wrote:i genuinely think 'who framed roger rabbit?' is utterly brilliant. i fucking loved it when i was seven and i like it now. i still can't work out how they did it. there again i still can't work out how they got harold lloyd to hang from that clock. i may be simple.

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by islandhopper » Fri Mar 06, 2009 14:08

JamieC wrote:are they ever going to release those two specials on DVD? they were about the best things my eyes have ever been cast over.
I'm sure I read a review for these the other day. Just checked and they're out on the 27th of April though, so that was a little premature. I'm certainly looking forward to In the Loop.

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by Gordon » Fri Mar 06, 2009 15:20

JamieC wrote:are they ever going to release those two specials on DVD? they were about the best things my eyes have ever been cast over.
And to think all it needed to inspire them was a paedophilia scandal (I of course have computer nerd copies of these already).

EDIT: THE IN THE THICK OF IT SPECIALS, I MEAN!
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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by Dan » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:55

I am looking forward to In The Loop. I hope Charm Offensive was a temporary blip and Iannucci gets back to making things that aren't fucking abysmal very quickly.

In The Thick Of It, where the guy says 'You praise him like he's your dead brother', that is probably my favourite line in television.

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by linus » Sat Mar 07, 2009 13:46

there was that dreadful (by the looks of it, thank you the culture show) operetta about plastic surgery that he wrote the lyrics for too

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by islandhopper » Sat Mar 07, 2009 13:52

linus wrote:there was that dreadful (by the looks of it, thank you the culture show) operetta about plastic surgery that he wrote the lyrics for too
It did look pretty terrible. His Ibiza Uncovered opera made for a good 3 minute sketch on the Armandom Iannucci shows, but that's probably about its limit. I was incredibly bored by the Jerry Springer opera though, so if that's your thing then who knows.

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by alex_cornetto » Sat Mar 07, 2009 13:58

islandhopper wrote:His Ibiza Uncovered opera made for a good 3 minute sketch on the Armando Iannucci shows...
OAKY'S ON THE DECKS! OAKY'S ON THE DECKS!

When I heard he was getting involved in an opera, it was the first thing that came to mind.

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by linus » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:51

who but a pair of utter cock knockers would want to kill lesbian vampires?

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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by Gordon » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:32

Homophobic ones?

And I've been told their show is, so I'll go with that.
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Re: General Chat About Films And That

Post by linus » Thu Mar 12, 2009 13:07

I saw a trailer for their sketch show last night and it was just baffling- essentially a take off of the scene from 'ghost' with the potters wheel (contemporary! relevant! edgy!) with horne at the wheel and corden coming in topless and creeping up on horne and feeling him up and horne looking put out

cue: hysterical canned laughter

the joke being?
fat bloke feels up thin bloke?
demi more is a man? patrick swayze is fat?

in the school playground when I was 5 there was a song that went 'fatty and skinny were having a bath, fatty blew off and skinny did laugh'- that was considered by our 5 year old selves to be funny because it was stupid and had the word 'fart' in it- I could pitch that to the bbc now and get a fucking series and be lauded by the guardian review as somehow zeitgeisty and important

and what is it with james corden's laugh that he does? nobody laughs like that except a fat needy bloke who's been told 'make your weaknesses your strengths and people will love you' daily by himself in front of a mirror and he's believed it and now he wants every one in britain to believe it too

I hope he gets type 2 diabetes and dies alone preferably blind and without any feet

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