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Samuel Beckett

Post by morning chorus » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:24 pm

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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by indiansummer » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:29 pm

morning chorus wrote:I think I might have more fun in this book forum than in the music ones... They seem to be filled with indiepop bands that I have little knowledge of / little time for...
On an indiepop forum? Really?

You're starting an awful lot of threads today... i'm impressed.
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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by morning chorus » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:43 pm

indiansummer wrote:
morning chorus wrote:I think I might have more fun in this book forum than in the music ones... They seem to be filled with indiepop bands that I have little knowledge of / little time for...
On an indiepop forum? Really?

You're starting an awful lot of threads today... i'm impressed.
Even on the non-indiepop forum as far as I can tell...

I've just scrolled down the page and found this book forum... So I thought I'd give it a lash... Excuse my enthusiasm - I'll make sure and curb it...

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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by morning chorus » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:11 pm

gloom button wrote:
Have you read Watt at all? I'm always meaning to go back and read it again, 'cause it's one of those things I feel I've understood at the most superficial of levels. Actually I remember you saying you were going to see something of Beckett's but I can't remember what.. this might have been any time in the last two years I suppose. Did you end up going? What was it? Am I making it up?
I've read Watt... It was one of the last of his books written in English (the early period)... It's really very good... But I think that he was just changing styles around then (from his earlier Joycean more flowery stuff)... The books that followed (the first ones of his middle period written in French) were my favourites... The Trilogy and the Four Novellas being the pinnacle I reckon...

Last time we talked books was maybe prior to the Beckett festival in The Gate?... I went and saw a few plays alright... It was his prose I got in to first but drama wise, I think 'Endgame' is hilarious and is my favourite... Closely followed by Godot...

On an unrelated matter (to Beckett if not books), didn't you recently read New York Trilogy?... I've just finished it and posted about it below / above... You thought it was great, didn't you?

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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by Mr Bear » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:01 pm

I studied ...Godot for French A-level, and after I'd got past the moody ignorant teenage reaction to it I really enjoyed it. It helped that we had a really enthusiastic teacher.

I read Endgame a few years ago and thought it was fantastic, but I'd love to see it "live". I haven't read any of his prose before, so I might have a look at The Trilogy.

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Re: Samuel Beckett

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This has been making me chuckle recently. Have only gnawed on the edges of Beckett, mainly via a couple of interpretations of 'Not I'.

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Post by indiansummer » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:30 pm

I've actually got a complete dramatic works of Beckett, but only read Endgame and some of the shorter, stranger pieces. Endgame was brilliant though; i must get round to reading the rest of it!
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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by MJHibbett » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:49 pm

I love Beckett - the plays anyway, they're GRATE. I went to see Godot with Captain Picard and Gandalf... NO, with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen in That London and it was hilarious. Annoying Wankers behind us kept tutting and loudly, during the interva,l going on about how it was wrong. I wanted to turn round and say "OY! It was originally billed as The Laugh Sensation Of Two Continents so SHUT IT" but didn't. We were too busy trying not to talk about The X-Men.

I put on a few of the plays when i was a student (i was a student) and loved them, but I always found the books a bit much. It was like reading a much less funny Spike Milligan.

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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by Mr Bear » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:16 pm

Blimey, Endgame's on in London at the moment, til 5th December. With Miriam Margolyes playing Nell!

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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by annie » Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:44 am

MJHibbett wrote:I love Beckett - the plays anyway, they're GRATE. I went to see Godot with Captain Picard and Gandalf... NO, with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen in That London and it was hilarious. Annoying Wankers behind us kept tutting and loudly, during the interva,l going on about how it was wrong. I wanted to turn round and say "OY! It was originally billed as The Laugh Sensation Of Two Continents so SHUT IT" but didn't. We were too busy trying not to talk about The X-Men.
ha, that could've been andy and me, as we both thought patrick stewart was rubbish, but i'm sure i would've recognized you if you'd be sitting in front of us, and there was no tutting involved. beckett's funny enough without needing to ham it up (unless you're playing hamm in endgame?) and he was trying so hard to be funny i just wanted to punch him. ian mckellen was alright but got dragged down by stewart's shitness, and simon callow who played pozzo was great. it just felt like 'beckett light', as if they'd felt the need to spell things out for the audience because it had famous people in it and therefore people who're not into beckett would go and see it. which is insulting to both the audience and beckett!

edit: i didn't like the stage setup either. 'a country road. a tree.' does not mean a post-apocalyptic scenery. way to imply too much and not let the audience make up their own minds. grrr! (sorry, i obviously get too worked up about things like this.)

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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by indiansummer » Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:51 am

Gosh, that's a shame. I thought Stewart and McKellen would've been really good in that.

On the plus side, i'm now less annoyed that i couldn't get tickets.
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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by morning chorus » Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:57 am

yeah... i can't see stewart as vladimir, have to say... can definitely see callow as pozzo though...

the barry mcgovern / johnny murphy / alan stanford cast is the definitive for godot as far as i can tell... seen them perform it twice and everyone else doesn't quite do it for me as much...

as for the current london endgame cast, i'm not so sure either - what are the reviews like?... i thought the film of the play cast was good (gambon / thewlis) but the film itself was terribly shot and the direction eradicated some of the humour... all wrong

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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by morning chorus » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:21 am

annie wrote:
MJHibbett wrote: edit: i didn't like the stage setup either. 'a country road. a tree.' does not mean a post-apocalyptic scenery. way to imply too much and not let the audience make up their own minds. grrr! (sorry, i obviously get too worked up about things like this.)
the fiona shaw production of happy days used a similarly skewed set, opting for a ruined urban landscape.... thought it worked quite well for that production but certainly couldn't see godot with anything other than the standard rural nowhere land...

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Re: Samuel Beckett

Post by morning chorus » Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:04 pm

Mr Bear wrote:Blimey, Endgame's on in London at the moment, til 5th December. With Miriam Margolyes playing Nell!
Did you (or anyone) go to this?

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