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Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:05 pm
by humblebee
Or, you know, less unethical alternatives.

Your suggestions please, Anorak... go!

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:35 pm
by Trev
Not taken a detailed look at this but it looks promising:

http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/boycotts ... tives.aspx

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:36 pm
by Trev
PS - I also bought my xmas books direct from Foyles.....

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:46 pm
by noLooking
I got everything from Play.com this year. But I did hear that they're based in the channel islands for tax purposes, or something. So perhaps not that ethical, but it can't give them an advantage on VAT, 'cos it's basically a marketplace site. Anyway, you can definitely feel a little warm and cosy about the fact that some poor sod hasn't had to walk a couple of miles to pick up your mum's Dan Brown or something.

I tried to export this to my family, so when I sent them links for presents, I sent them to Play. This ended up with my brother simply going to buy my Clientele 'Suburban Light' reissue on Amazon anyway, then getting the CD instead of the vinyl by mistake, because he is both unethical and fucking stupid. It seems to be a growing trend (in my idiot family anyway) that people refuse to buy presents from anywhere that isn't Amazon because they can't actually cope with anything else. This happens even if it's twice as expensive or something, as it often is these days. I'm asking my brother for a ten pound note next year.

PS - I just checked and, though Play used to be based on the channel islands for tax purposes, it doesn't do them any good any more, so it is, more or less, more ethical than Amazon. The only thing being, how ethical are the actual sellers? who are by and large too small and numerous to look into.

PPS - I just looked at Trev's link and, though Play aren't so bad as amazon (and they don't seem to be down there with the real scum), they are a bit shabby, especially on tax (as I rather suspected).

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:06 am
by tonieee
Not sure what you mean by alternatives as there are plenty of places that you can go to that you already know - Waterstones/WH Smiths for books and HMV for DVDs/CDs. They have online ordering too. It's not like Amazon have any kind of monopoly yet. Though none of them are probably massively ethical. Or do you mean cheap like Amazon? Because being unethical is how they be cheap.

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:15 am
by tonieee
tonieee wrote:Or do you mean cheap like Amazon? Because being unethical is how they be cheap.
Sorry, just realised that that last comment sounded really condescending and snidey - I didn't mean too. I wrote it while making breakfast and was rushing to finish it before the toast burnt...

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:55 am
by humblebee
Thanks all, this is really useful. I always forget about that site, Trev. Great stuff.

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:05 am
by leon
Whats unethical about Amazon? (genuine question)

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:09 am
by humblebee
leon wrote:Whats unethical about Amazon? (genuine question)
Colossal tax avoidance, poverty pay, and appalling working conditions.

There's some good information at http://www.amazonanonymous.org

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:21 pm
by leon
Ah I see. Thanks Pete.

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:42 pm
by crystalball
For books, I'm a very big fan of http://www.hive.co.uk. Good prices, free delivery and they work with indie bookshops - so you can nominate your local shop (or any other one you like) to benefit from your purchase. They've got DVDs and CDs and stuff as well but haven't bought any. Anyway, it's dead good!

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:22 pm
by Silver Girl
For books, I've started using WHsmith online - they're price matching Amazon and give you free delivery in store. I saw that infographic thingy that Waterstones are also shitehawks about tax avoidance, so I've stopped using them.
Bizarrely, if you can live with the much reduced selection, The Book People and the Works are pretty high up on being a bit ethically better.
For CDs I am a hypocrite and buy from Play or CDwow.

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:41 pm
by humblebee
Automatic thumbs-up to Silver Girl just for using the word 'shitehawks'.

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:28 pm
by tonieee
Silver Girl wrote:For books, I've started using WHsmith online - they're price matching Amazon and give you free delivery in store.
The free delivery in store thing is great. I used it week to get one if Ralph's Christmas presents. The only problem is I embarrassed myself by trying to pay at the till for it after I'd already paid for it online. It seemed really odd taking something out of Smiths without paying for it.

Re: Ethical alternatives to Amazon

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:28 pm
by humblebee
Until the revolution puts them first up against the wall - and let's face it, that doesn't particularly look imminent - you can pledge to go Amazon-free this Christmas, if you like that sort of thing:

http://action.sumofus.org/a/amazon-free