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Post by Paquito » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:54

Nixon edged Healy out cos I don't think he'd ever come up with a line as good as "put a Mars bar on a good length". And because he's the chippiest of all the chippy wee shites behind the stumps.
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Post by Mr Bear » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:57

andyroo wrote:
We need 52 off 39 to tie the ODI series now. Hopes resting on, er, Hopes.
It's getting tight! I reckon you'll just get there. 7.4 p/o required though.

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Post by andyroo » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:58

chris_ps wrote:Nixon edged Healy out cos I don't think he'd ever come up with a line as good as "put a Mars bar on a good length". And because he's the chippiest of all the chippy wee shites behind the stumps.
I dunno. Has Nixon ever said "You don't get a runner for being a fat cunt"?

33 off 24. This is a real cliffhanger. Hopes has been brilliant, just brought up his 50. Come on Aussie!
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Post by Mr Bear » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:05

Oh...Lee out and Johnson's just got himself on strike for the start of the 48th over. D'oh! 10 per over required.

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Post by andyroo » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:14

Johnson out.

No, not another streaker. Mitch Johnson's lost his wicket.
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Post by Mr Bear » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:15

Ba-dum tishhhh!

Looks like that might be it then.

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Post by andyroo » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:18

Hopes just hit a big six!

13 needed off the last over. Fuck.
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Post by andyroo » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:23

Bugger. Hopes out. Literally.

Ah well, boy's a hero anyway. Fair play to the OWs.
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Post by andyroo » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:43

Good grief, that was some test match in Inzud this weekend.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/englandinne ... 67,00.html

Ryan Sidebottom hat-trick put England right back in it... and then with a bold declaration New Zillund set England a tantalizing target, then rip through them before tea.
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Post by Mr Bear » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:01

Watching England in the last year or so is reminding me of the time when I first started watching them in earnest (in the mid 90s). They don't just lose matches, they absolutely and inexplicably capitulate, leaving one player who actually seems to have some fight in them - for IR Bell read RA Smith. Watching them is invariably quite a disheartening experience.

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Post by Paquito » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:53

I'm wondering if the success England had in 2004-06 (i.e. up to the last Ashes in Australia) in test matches was just one of those golden periods that teams sometimes have and in fact they're just an average side with one or two class acts? Or is it because Flintoff makes them so much better and they're really missing him just now? Mind you, he couldn't stop a 5-0 shellacking in Aus so that might defeat that theory but I'm just wondering out loud if England aren't as good as people think they are. Harmison obviously shouldn't have played in this game, Broad would have been a better bet, scoring at 2 runs an over in the first innings was a joke (OK, it was a benign surface but each of the top 6 averages over 40 does it not and should be able to score at a decent rate).

Maybe AndyPanda is right, they're just not up for the fight.
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Post by Mr Bear » Mon Mar 10, 2008 13:00

Well I was going to reply talking about the good players that England do have, while suggesting that it's mainly a mental thing rather than a reflection of their talent*, but it struck me that that's the excuse that the England football team have been trotting out for nigh on 15 years, so maybe it is just that they're not quite good enough.

* mind you I do think that is the case with Harmison. His head's gone completely.

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Post by Paquito » Mon Mar 10, 2008 13:08

Did you see the Harmison/Hussain interview over the weekend? Extraordinary viewing, someone who's completely all over the place in his head and just isn't fit, mentally or physically, for the challenges of top-level sport. I remember seeing a lot of that series in the West Indies in 2004, Harmison was as close to unplayable as the likes of Curtly Ambrose was in his peak and now he's a complete shadow of that player. It's a shame cos you can't beat watching a great fast bowler in full flow, just see some of Brett Lee's performances this Australian summer for example.
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Post by andyroo » Mon Mar 10, 2008 13:26

Unfortunately for England, it seems an awful lot of their cricketers just haven't had the mental stamina for cricket these days.

Top level cricket's become a pretty unpleasant business to be honest, just look at the Australia v India series. Maybe England are just too nice to be really competitive.

Thorpe, then Trescothick, now Harmison.

And I think that was Flintoff's big weakness as captain, he wanted to still be "one of the lads" and the one that led the off-pitch camaraderie etc. But that just undermined his authority.
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Post by Mr Bear » Mon Mar 10, 2008 13:27

chris_ps wrote:Did you see the Harmison/Hussain interview over the weekend? Extraordinary viewing, someone who's completely all over the place in his head and just isn't fit, mentally or physically, for the challenges of top-level sport.
I found it pretty uncomfortable to watch - he was on the verge of tears for virtually the whole interview.

You're right though, watching a fast bowler in great form is one of the best things about cricket, when every ball makes you take a sharp intake of breath. I love that.

As for Harmison I really think they have to leave him out of the side this week. If there was another week between the two tests then the vote of confidence coupled with the extra time to acclimatise could do him some good, but as it is I don't see how they could possibly play him.

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Post by Paquito » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:23

He should have got a hundred, but maybe it was more in keeping with his career that he got a stylish 50 then got out. Great player, great captain. How on earth can NZ replace him in that batting line-up?

I might see if I've got any NZ blood in me or possibly try and qualify by residency cos if Grant Elliott can get a game then I think anybody can!
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Post by humblebee » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:49

So after a heavy defeat in the first test it looks like England will win the series 2-1 with comfortable wins in the second and third games.

Does this add weight to the theory that, since England have virtually abandoned the idea of playing warm-up matches abroad, their first test match in any given tour is now a semi-official warm-up game?

I guess the conditions in New Zealand aren't as tricky for an England team to adapt to as when they go to the Asian subcontinent, but still... what do you think?

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Post by Paquito » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:56

I think cos tours are so condensed now what with the amount of international cricket on the calendar teams only play one or two warm-up matches and those are usually 13 a side jollies, which are not the best preparation for a test match - you saw that in the first test at Hamilton, Harmison and Hoggard were woefully undercooked. I think it's the way nowadays, listening to the commentary on the WI-SL test match from Guyana it sounds as if SL only had one warm up game.
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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Mr Bear » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:02

It has been a consistent annoyance for me that, exactly as you put it Pete, the first test on England's recent tours serves as a warm-up game, which they invariably struggle in. The thing that irritates me is that we're not talking about them having to go out there a month earlier to have a proper warm-up, even going out a week before and playing the reigning national club champions in a four-day match would surely be of value. If I were playing for them (only a matter of time, surely) I'd be itching to get out on tour and to start getting match fit.

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