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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by let it ride » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:08 pm

Ja, jag har inte bokat min flight än! Men jag ska nog vara i Sverige 19e December - 4e Januari. Tror jag.
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Post by Life on Deck » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:15 pm

Jag undrar när jag ska åka tillbaka till Sverige. Jag kommer att vara i Hull på början av December. Har du bara två veckor i Sverige?
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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by let it ride » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:23 pm

Yup, since it is my final year I have craploads of work to get on with, and that will include my rockumentary film and my dissertation, plus two other modules, and the term finishes on December 19th. Which kind of sucks.
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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by meepmeep » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:27 pm

Bästa idén idag: vi måste ha ett glöggparty! Runt jul alltså, inte nu. Jag köper att par bag in box med glögg och bakar lite peppisar och sen kör vi!
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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by let it ride » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:21 pm

Far man komma aven om man inte gillar glogg? Det ar som extraeldig whiskey. Fast det ar nog for att min morbror gor jattestark glogg som vi alla ska dricka 10 pa morgonen pa julafton, haha.
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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by meepmeep » Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:22 pm

Min pappa gjorde också extrastark specialglögg. Sånt håller inte jag på med. Bara alldeles vanlig glögg. Det är så fantastiskt att bli full på glögg, det blir så varmt och fint, haha. Men visst får man komma om man inte vill ha glögg. Men då MÅSTE man dricka julmust!
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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by monsterbobby » Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:02 pm

hello there, I wonder if anyone on here could help - i'm going on tour in sweden at the end of september and i still need to fill a few slots. I've got a at Landet in Stockholm on the 18th september and a gig in Malmo , at debaser, on the 20th, and then form the 24th on i will be playng some shows in germany. does anyone have any ideas for gigs i could do in those gaps? any ideas much appreciated.

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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by jayen_aitch » Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:51 pm

I didn't know there was a debaser in Malmo.

This is probably not much use. Would it be worth you booking a date in Copenhagen? It's only over the bridge from Malmo.

I guess the other sensible places to play would be Gothenberg and Oslo, but that's a fairly long way to go and probably quite costly.

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Post by bocken » Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:25 am

jayen_aitch wrote:I didn't know there was a debaser in Malmo.

This is probably not much use. Would it be worth you booking a date in Copenhagen? It's only over the bridge from Malmo.

I guess the other sensible places to play would be Gothenberg and Oslo, but that's a fairly long way to go and probably quite costly.
It doesn't have to be that expensive, I got a ticket on the X2000 from Malmö to Gothenberg (first class an 'all, I get a newspaper which best have a damned big selection of sudokus for me to do and a coffee, and maybe a refill) for just over £16 (195SEK). Looking at http://www.sj.se" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (you'll need to paste in a ö to get Göteborg C to come up) it seems the 12:45 train is always cheap, on a weekday at least.

Going through Denmark to Germany is a good obvious choice too, easy to get to Copenhagen as jayen says. Not really sure where you'd go after that though.

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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by soft revolution » Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:56 am

I have a Sweden question! What's the general feeling towards Vision Zero in Sweden?
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by meepmeep » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:06 am

What's Vision Zero?
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Post by bocken » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:32 am

http://www.sei.se/visionzero/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I guess.

Is it really possible to have zero fatal road traffic accidents? Anyway, I'm going to have a good look around http://www.vv.se/templates/page2_2____1 ... anguage=EN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; as whenever I've driven in Sweden it's been a big case of copying what everyone else does, as Lisa never learnt so she can't tell me what to do in certain situations. Makes things interesting..

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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by Life on Deck » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:52 am

meepmeep wrote:What's Vision Zero?
It means that when I ride the bike around the streets of Stockholm I don't get knocked down by idiots and their car driving antics even though the traffic is clearly the wrong way round to what I've been previously used to.

I think it does work here anyway. The motorways even seem safe. I tend to see not a great deal of car usage: Stockholm has a very big onus on public transport, which again is a good factor alleviating traffic related injury.

I really would doubt this succeeds in Britain, there is too much of a car culture. I blame Big John from Carrilier Cars*.

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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by soft revolution » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:08 pm

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Post by soft revolution » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:09 pm

Aggi on the Mezzanine wrote:
meepmeep wrote:What's Vision Zero?
It means that when I ride the bike around the streets of Stockholm I don't get knocked down by idiots and their car driving antics even though the traffic is clearly the wrong way round to what I've been previously used to.

I think it does work here anyway. The motorways even seem safe. I tend to see not a great deal of car usage: Stockholm has a very big onus on public transport, which again is a good factor alleviating traffic related injury.

I really would doubt this succeeds in Britain, there is too much of a car culture. I blame Big John from Carrilier Cars*.

*If anyone gets that reference then I will be very shocked.
Big John from Carrilier Cars isn't even googleable (yet)!

People often say it's a cultural thing unique to Sweden (which is why I asked this thread) and if that's true it just makes me love Sweden more.

I do agree, if we did anything like it in the UK then you can imagine how it would be reported, which undermines having a vision.
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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by let it ride » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:12 pm

I didn't even know we did that!

I do agree that traffic is a lot more violent and crazy here in the UK though, I daren't go on a bike. My best friend here got knocked over by a lorry (!!) when she was out on her bike and doesn't use hers since then, because well, she hurt herself quite a bit!

It sounds very good though, Vision Zero. Go us.
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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by bocken » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:20 pm

soft revolution wrote:
Big John from Carrilier Cars isn't even googleable (yet)!

People often say it's a cultural thing unique to Sweden (which is why I asked this thread) and if that's true it just makes me love Sweden more.

I do agree, if we did anything like it in the UK then you can imagine how it would be reported, which undermines having a vision.
I don't know if it's exactly the same in Sweden (yeah I did just read all those handy how to drive a car around a roundabout, and deal with pedestrians and cyclists), but most of Europe has this strict liability thing where in any accident involving a car and a cyclist or pedestrian the onus is on the driver to prove that they weren't liable. Whereas in this country you get things like Jeremy Clarkson saying he'll run over any cyclist who gets in front of him, and some prick in the Times saying cyclists should be decapitated. A letter in the free local paper saying how she's old and gets the bus everywhere and every cyclist not only jumps lights and rides on the pavement, but they hold buses up. No dear, traffic holds buses up. I've started reading that Copenhagenize.com blog (sister blog to that one that takes pictures of Danish girls on bikes looking hott) which is a more serious look at cycling culture. And I'm off to Copenhagen on Tuesday, but only for a day, then it's Sweden and the thread is back on topic. Phew.

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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by meepmeep » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:04 pm

I got so angry with the traffic and drivers when living in the UK. No one ever stopped to let you cross the road (I mean at pedestrian crossings!), not even if they were even turning around the corner and could just as well stop.

In Sweden the law says that the driver has to stop for pedestrians at pedestrain crossings and allow them to go first (however not that the pedestrians have the right to walk first, only that cars should stop and let pedestrains walk first). I think that's brilliant, especially since it actually works, and the way the law is written really must minimize the number of accidents. While in England a lot of drivers would probably drive straight into you and say it was your own fault.

It is also funny to see how Mike reacts to cars here. I assume they will stop for me and may start walking even if there's a car coming down the street, while Mike wants to wait until there's no car and always seems a bit surprised that it has stopped for us.
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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by jayen_aitch » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:40 pm

That's a bit worrying Emelie as the law in the Uk is that cars must stop at Zebra crossings. So yeah, lots of law breakers around by the sound of things.

I guess at the end of the day there are idiots in every group of road users. I had a cyclist dart out in front of me, crossing the road while I was on a green light yesterday. He emerged from behind a van, without looking, I had to slam on the brakes and then the lights changed on me.

I bet great value train fares like Jona's help reduce accidents. Who can be bothered driving with prices like that?

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Re: Sweden / Sverige

Post by My Melody » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:44 pm

I just got back from a weekend in Sweden and it looks like I missed the last bit of summer in Germany! Apparently they had 30° C in Frankfurt and it was definitely nothing like that in Sweden.
I got to go to Popaganda festival in Stockholm though which was wicked!!

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