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Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by wyvern » Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:21 pm

Any advice/tips? Where? What? I know there is a music shop just behind the main street that still sells tapes!
Any bands on this month?
I know this is a long shot as well - vegetarian food? (apart from the cheese things and cakes in the subway)
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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by Martijn » Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:37 pm

I spent six days in Warsaw in 2003 for a conference. As my friend and colleague whom I went there with is a vegetarian, "wegetarianski" is still the only Polish word I know. Getting vegetarian food in restaurants was not quite easy, other than just asking them to leave out the meat, but we found at least two vegetarian restaurants behind the main street. Things might have changed a bit since then and if they have, then definitely for the better.

I did not do an awful lot of sightseeing, but I found the town history museum interesting and the culture palace will give you some great views. Warsaw isn't very pretty in the usual sense, but it is a really interesting city.

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by austere-popster » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:11 pm

hello!

as both a veggie and a varsovian, i have to sadly admit we're not the best town for this type of cuisine, but there are 2 nice-enough chains - Vega Bar and Green Way. When it comes to typical Polish dishes, such as pierogi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi, apart from the meaty ones, you can get ones with mushrooms+cabbage, spinach etc - there's quite a variety.

there aren't too many decent music shops around - perhaps one or two worth a mention.. Hey Joe behind the 'galeria centrum' and Muzant at Kubusia Puchatka street (that's "winnie-the-pooh street" in translation :) )

as for gigs - e.g. my friend's band, frozen bird, is playing next week. here's one of the songs:

martijn was very diplomatic when describing "the usual sense" of pretty - yes, warsaw doesn't really qualify ;) apart from the viewpoint on the 30th floor of the palace of culture, a walk around the old town/krakowskie przedmieście, the Łazienki park or a trip to wilanów are nice sightseeing ideas. for the more hidden gems of warsaw, i'd be more than happy to show you around wyvern. obviously, my opinion will be slightly biased, but i love my idiosyncratic city :)

let me know if you're interested - and have a good trip!
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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by wyvern » Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:29 pm

I'm not travelling until the 11th so I will probably miss your friends band. Sorry.
I think I have been to Hey Joe.
Łazienki park was nice and peaceful when I went there but it was raining.
Thanks for the offer of showing me around. I'll contact you nearer the time.
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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by cuppie » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:03 pm

Warsaw is so special. I don't like it at all but I can see how someone might like to see the old communist buildings, maybe. The 'old town' is the creepiest place i've ever been. It looks like a Disney World version of a nice old European city.

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by austere-popster » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:05 am

oh come on... i know i may lack objectivity on the subject, but there's more to warsaw than just communist architecture. and as for the old town - i suppose i'm simply used to it, thus lacking the tourist perspective, so it was interesting to read yr opinion. i think i know what you mean, but the thing is, this was basically rebuilt from scratch after WW2 - as an exact copy of what was destroyed, but still just a copy..

anyway - my favourite bit of warsaw is the river (esp when crossing from one side of the town to the other by tram - yay trams!) and all the parks. i found quite a funny pic: it's done in infrared, so what would be green shows as red... :)

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by RITH » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:18 am

austere-popster wrote:i think i know what you mean, but the thing is, this was basically rebuilt from scratch after WW2 - as an exact copy of what was destroyed, but still just a copy..
That's why I love Kracow so much better. The old buildings survived mostly there, and that way it feels more... well, old, I guess. Not saying that newer towns can't have their own charm of course. Or am I? I might.

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by cuppie » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:26 pm

RITH wrote:
austere-popster wrote:i think i know what you mean, but the thing is, this was basically rebuilt from scratch after WW2 - as an exact copy of what was destroyed, but still just a copy..
That's why I love Kracow so much better. The old buildings survived mostly there, and that way it feels more... well, old, I guess. Not saying that newer towns can't have their own charm of course. Or am I? I might.
I think if you're going to build a new town, build a new town. Don't try and copy how it used to look and pretend like WW2 never happened. I'm very biased against Warsaw but I think I might like it better if I took another trip. But Krakow is right next to my house, ish.

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by islandhopper » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:01 pm

I've never been to Warsaw, but Krakow really is incredibly beautiful. I went to Prague right after and it didn't fare well in comparison.

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by austere-popster » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:53 pm

cuppie wrote: I'm very biased against Warsaw (...)
well i wouldn't have guessed...
cuppie wrote: I think if you're going to build a new town, build a new town. Don't try and copy how it used to look and pretend like WW2 never happened.
could you actually think twice before you write something?
i don't think it was about "pretending like ww2 never happened" - that would be rather hard considering that after the war warsaw looked like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... y_1945.jpg and that large parts of the town stood in ruins well into the 50s and 60s.
however, the old town used to be one of the most representative parts of the city, so i think rebuilding it was meant to have a symbolic and moral sense.. trying to preserve at least a fragment of what was lost. perhaps.

anyway, i don't really want to drag this. i'm not trying to say everyone should fall in love with the place. just that criticising it without any context seems rather unfair.

and yeah, kraków is ace.
but endless comparisons between the two cities are really tiring.
they are just different. full stop.

and by the way - somehow no other geographical thread on anorak seems to take the turn of "and by the way, the city you live in is shit" - how come that is?
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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by wyvern » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:56 pm

cuppie wrote: I'm very biased against Warsaw but I think I might like it better if I took another trip.
I don't mind if something is a 'copy' or not. I have been to lots of cities and OK, the fabric of the city is the thing you see, what you remember, are the people.
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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by cuppie » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:00 pm

austere-popster wrote: could you actually think twice before you write something?
i don't think it was about "pretending like ww2 never happened" - that would be rather hard considering that after the war warsaw looked like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... y_1945.jpg and that large parts of the town stood in ruins well into the 50s and 60s.
however, the old town used to be one of the most representative parts of the city, so i think rebuilding it was meant to have a symbolic and moral sense.. trying to preserve at least a fragment of what was lost. perhaps.

anyway, i don't really want to drag this. i'm not trying to say everyone should fall in love with the place. just that criticising it without any context seems rather unfair.
To me it would be the equivalent of rebuilding the World Trade Center in New York, exactly as it was, with all the bird poop where it had been before, and the grafitti and everything else. I really wasn't trying to be rude or anything but I think it's a really strange place, with paint artificially peeled off the buildings, and all the other trimmings to make it look 'old.' I think it's kind of suspicious, but I see your point.
Sorry to criticize Warsaw. The area down near the university is very nice... Anyway, don't be bothered. I live in what some people (fondly, sometimes) refer to as The Ugliest City in Europe, and I like it a lot.

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by austere-popster » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:46 pm

cuppie wrote: with paint artificially peeled off the buildings
heh, no! that's the actual state some of them are in ;)

and i'm sure ostrava is a good place to be - i've been to quite a few places in the czech republic (not just prague) and generally liked it a lot.. my favourite film festival used to take place in cieszyn/těšín. both the polish and the czech town are really pretty, but the best bit was having to cross the border several times a day to get from one cinema to the next :)
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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by wyvern » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:54 pm

I like the night buses...
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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by Martijn » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:24 pm

I wasn't too excited by Warsaw's old town either, but then I can't really blame the Warsovians for trying to rebuild at least some of the town. I liked the areas around the polytechnic (I assume that's the university?) much better. I've been to Prague too, albeit only the central bit, and Warsaw seemed a lot more real. Wouldn't mind going back there one day.

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by cuppie » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:36 pm

austere-popster wrote: and i'm sure ostrava is a good place to be - i've been to quite a few places in the czech republic (not just prague) and generally liked it a lot.. my favourite film festival used to take place in cieszyn/těšín. both the polish and the czech town are really pretty, but the best bit was having to cross the border several times a day to get from one cinema to the next :)
Oh! I know that town, it's only about 20 minutes from me. Although we call it Česky Tešin, I think. They used to have a film festival there but not anymore? That sucks! Anyway, Ostrava is a nice place to be. What is considered an ugly city in Europe is still nicer than most places in America! The only thing I really hate is how bad the air is. It's the worst air ever.

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by wyvern » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:00 pm

No access to FB at the moment Austere-Popster. I've lost my voice after Obiekt yesterday. Was it really that loud in there? Just sitting listening to music today.
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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by christianpolo » Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:59 pm

anybody still hanging around warszawa?

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Re: Warsaw/Warszawa

Post by wyvern » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:33 pm

christianpolo wrote:anybody still hanging around warszawa?
In the city this week. Last night was a Secret Gardens night. Today was set aside for recovering.
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