Gàidhlig

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by alongwalkhome » Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:33 pm

Gordon wrote:I'm not completely sure if in English you should pronounce it 'Gahlic" or if that's really poncey and like saying "Oh, I do love speaking Fran-say when I'm in Par-ee"
The arsehole instructor yelled at me for saying "Gay-lick" and made us try to say "Gaah-lik" with about 18 syllables and killing anyone near you with your "gaaahlic" breath. I do feel a tit though, as there are about 8 billion: 1 Irish to Scottish in Boston and they'd look at me like I was saying, "Woooould you paaahs the Greeeay Poupon, playeehz."
Gordon wrote:Also, where's the CDROM from?
I think (again chris space hopper is yer man here) that the CD/book kit I tried first (http://www.amazon.com/Yourself-Gaelic-C ... d_sim_sw_2) is considered the superior product, but for a complete dummy and newbie like me, I'm re-starting on this Eurotalk product available here. I'm sure it's shit. The one US Amazon review (2 stars) raves, "Very exciting, if you want to learn to tell the time." Whoop! Not recommended for you since you're exposed to the language.

I have a whole bunch of dictionaries and this other CD-ROM (hee!): Learn Scots Gaelic: For Children 4 & Up. But they're mostly gathering dust.

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by Gordon » Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:49 pm

Thanks, muchly.

By the way, if you're taking about Irish Gaelic with Irish people, (it seems to me that) of course gay-lic is the right way to pronounce it, it's a different language after all. Did the instructor say you had to force the old pronunciation out of your head?
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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by islandhopper » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:05 pm

Gordon wrote: Ooh, that college is what I found (and posted). How do you mean familial horn?
My dad is the director of that college (until he retires in November at least). I do think that's genuinely quite a good course though (you can start in October or March Marcy).
lynsosaurus wrote:i would rather like to learn some too, actually! have you found any lessons locally, gordon?
I wouldn't have thought there'd be any shortage of them in Glasgow Lynsey, and I'd expect plenty in Edinburgh as well.
gloom button wrote: Anyway, yeah, my parents are forever saying things like 'there's a terrible thirst on me' or 'i'm after losing it', which (I think) are grammatically pretty direct from the Gaelic.
That's brilliant! That's a perfect literal translation of the gaelic.
Gordon wrote: I'm not completely sure if in English you should pronounce it 'Gahlic" or if that's really poncey and like saying "Oh, I do love speaking Fran-say when I'm in Par-ee"
No! That's how you should pronounce it whoever you are. "Gaylic"really refers to Irish gaelic.

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by lynsosaurus » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:19 pm

islandhopper wrote:
lynsosaurus wrote:i would rather like to learn some too, actually! have you found any lessons locally, gordon?
I wouldn't have thought there'd be any shortage of them in Glasgow Lynsey, and I'd expect plenty in Edinburgh as well.
i thought about that after i'd already posted my question. dur!

i think it would be AWESOME if we could all learn and have chats and that. eeee!

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by lynsosaurus » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:27 pm

heeey! i could do that distance learning course for a personal contribution of £25 if i get this learning account thing sorted. wheeeee!

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by alongwalkhome » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:37 pm

lynsosaurus wrote:heeey! i could do that distance learning course for a personal contribution of £25 if i get this learning account thing sorted. wheeeee!
Lyns, will you start it w/me in March?? That would be so fun! I even have one of those head phone/Britney Spears things that Rachel recommended for Skype.

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by squirrelboutique » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:41 pm

I feel so pilotlike/official/telemarketer wearing those things.

Carry on* with the Gàidhlig.

*Lean ar aghaidh.

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by Gordon » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:42 pm

I think that distance course is too rich for me until I get a proper job unless we can find learning funding for someone who has already had way too much teaching.

p.s. re gahlic vs. gaylic, consder me TOLD! I'm glad that school has the Anorak seal of approval, as I think I just found it randomly in someone's links on my first day of gaelic internet trawling.

Ideally I'd like to 'aquire' a copy of something like the Rosetta Stone which is supposed to be really good so it's a shame its not available in Scottish Gaelic. I suppose I'll go with Marcy's first book. I gather Scottish Gaelic is the least widely spoken of the mainstream gaelics celtic languages (of which there are, I suppose, only three).

p.p.s. that telephone tutorial thing sounds frightening as I hate phones...
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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by alongwalkhome » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:53 pm

Gordon wrote:p.p.s. that telephone tutorial thing sounds frightening as I hate phones...
For real, no one hates phones more than I do. I LOATHE the phone. But there's no choice. And it'll be someone making fun of my accent (even in his/her own mind) to boot. And my neighbors will be tittering away at me if they're outside smoking on the porch because it will sound like I'm coughing up a hairball to myself as I attempt to make those fricatives that my mouth/throat are entirely unprepared to do. But I'm still game if my job will pay for it!

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by alongwalkhome » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:54 pm

squirrelboutique wrote:I feel so pilotlike/official/telemarketer wearing those things.
I was really tempted to ask you to be "my personal psychic network."

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by squirrelboutique » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:11 pm

Dangit. David's off Googlechat for a run to Tesco (Canada Water, whoop whoop!), so I can't do any cheaty fancy Irish talkin'.

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by Gordon » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:29 pm

Pfft. Would you speak Latin in the Italian thread?
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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by squirrelboutique » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:31 pm

I don't have a readily available Scottish human cheat sheet!

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by Gordon » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:37 pm

Funnily enough, when I googled your phrase it came up most as the name of a horse...

Fun Gaelic fact for fun Gaelic fact fans:

My university in Canada (that I went to for two years) liked to think of itself as a Scottish university and it had a Gaelic 'school song' for singing at sports matches and other meaningless spirit-building events.

Here are the words of the chorus:
Oil thigh na Banrighinn a'Banrighinn gu brath!
Oil thigh na Banrighinn a'Banrighinn gu brath!
Oil thigh na Banrighinn a'Banrighinn gu brath!
Cha Gheil, Cha Cheil, Cha Cheil!

It's to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Sexy.
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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by islandhopper » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:36 pm

alongwalkhome wrote:
lynsosaurus wrote:heeey! i could do that distance learning course for a personal contribution of £25 if i get this learning account thing sorted. wheeeee!
Lyns, will you start it w/me in March?? That would be so fun! I even have one of those head phone/Britney Spears things that Rachel recommended for Skype.
Man, my Dad's going to be so pleased that I'm bringing in so much business to the college! I never expected to go there since I grew up around it and my Dad was the boss and all, but after uni I did my diploma in Gaelic media there and it was great fun. It gets more than its share of oddballs, because I guess that's just what minority languages attract, but plenty great and dedicated people as well.
I'm not really sure about the best learning materials to be honest - since I've never actually needed them myself - but I can't say I really like the look of that eurotalk one. It looks as if it would teach you the things you needed to know to pass an exam, but not all that much else. There was a series of books and VHS tapes called Speaking Our Language that I think were slightly more fun, but it was early 90s stuff and they're horribly dated now (there's a picture of me in one of the books as a 10ish year old). Gaelic language teaching for beginners was one of the things that turned up in one of the last commissioning rounds for the new channel though, so I expect there should be something new fairly soon.

ps I wasn't able to answer very well or fully this afternoon since I was busy at work, but if there's anything important I've failed to answer then just ask again.

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by islandhopper » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:38 pm

alongwalkhome wrote: The arsehole instructor yelled at me for saying "Gay-lick" and made us try to say "Gaah-lik" with about 18 syllables and killing anyone near you with your "gaaahlic" breath. I do feel a tit though, as there are about 8 billion: 1 Irish to Scottish in Boston and they'd look at me like I was saying, "Woooould you paaahs the Greeeay Poupon, playeehz."
He sounds like a right arsehole indeed. It's Ga-lick and the two syllables run together. Simple as that. He's a wrong arsehole!

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by squirrelboutique » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:54 pm

How's that first syllable pronounced though? Is it a a long a?

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by islandhopper » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:57 pm

squirrelboutique wrote:How's that first syllable pronounced though? Is it a a long a?
Short. Unless it's someone from Lewis. They talk right funny up here.

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by squirrelboutique » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:59 pm

What's with my a a in that last post?

So Gay-lick is always wrong? Who'd have thunk?

Is it Gay-lick in Irish?

Sorry for asking Irish questions in the not Irish thread.

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Re: Gàidhlig

Post by islandhopper » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:00 pm

Which I guess brings us to discrepancies in pronounciation. Some words have 20 or so (I may exaggerate) correct pronounciations, depending on where you are when you say them! It's all a lot of fun and games for poor learners!

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