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A book on Indie Pop? Thoughts & ideas!

Post by RITH » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:01 pm

Are there decent books on indiepop already?

Yesterday I suddenly really wanted to do this. It's unlikely that it hasn't been done already, but I'm not aware of any books that focus on the indiepop genre from start to now. Maybe a chapter here or there, but as the main focus?

Anyway. This is likely to become one of those sudden urges that die as quicly as they come.

Still: what would make a decent book? What or who would be worth its own chapter? What would be a logical sequence of chapters? Et cetera?

This is a little ambitious, but there's no hurry.

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Re: A book on Indie Pop? Thoughts & ideas!

Post by linus » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:24 pm

that David Cavanagh book on McGee/Creation covers the eighties period pre-Creation and at it's inception reasonably well, but most mentions of indiepop elsewhere are too often sweeping rather sniffy generalisations

I'd often thought a book broken down into personal essays and memories might be an interesting way of doing this

I doubt any two people would agree on the key players, labels, bands, people, eras though but I think the conflicting views of what is or isn't indiepop, the politics of it, the sense or otherwise of a community or cliques it's all interesting but they might be ironed out into a homogenised view of indiepop, a sort of classification exercise that excises all the thorny anomalies

beat happening couldn't be more indiepop, for me, but may not even figure even marginally for someone else

likewise 'C86 = indiepop' seems way too reductive for many, or 'sarah records = indiepop', or whatever

it's an interesting idea

that's my tuppence ha'penny for the minute

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Re: A book on Indie Pop? Thoughts & ideas!

Post by Tomb » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:38 pm

Agree with Linus.

However have you seen this which Chris (Heavensabove) did? Not a book but a start.

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Re: A book on Indie Pop? Thoughts & ideas!

Post by soft revolution » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:46 pm

I'd love to see a dedicated indiepop wiki. Could be a great way of gathering facts and background. It'd also let the community self moderate on what's important and what's not in the history of indiepop rather than it being an individuals point of view.

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Re: A book on Indie Pop? Thoughts & ideas!

Post by madcat » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:37 pm

There is indiepedia but it's a bit rubbishy. The wikified artist pages on Last.fm are generally OK though.

Meanwhile, it's not a book, but Nitsuh Abebe's long essay 'Twee As Fuck' is worth reading I reckon.

I agree with Linus; an edited collection of personal essays would really suit the spirit of the music well.

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Re: A book on Indie Pop? Thoughts & ideas!

Post by gloom button » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:37 pm

I think it'd be really interesting to take that article (which is completely brilliant and distanced-but-understanding of any 'scene') and look a bit more at the nuts and bolts of the music itself - I think it's really interesting how often the musicians making this kind of music are dismissed as shambling or amateur when there's usually at least one or two in any band who really know what they're doing. I mean, I think lots of reviews of the Deirdres (to take a random recent example) are all about how they're not exactly virtuousos, but I think it's interesting how their drummer really knows what he's doing and how one part of a band can hold things together like that.

Then the other thing I think would be sort of cool to explore and write about would be how you get bands who make indiepop as a passing-through sort of exercise (you know, as they're learning or whatever) and then end up as more standard indie bands as they get "better", as opposed to the kind of band who more deliberately have an aesthetic that they keep even as they learn to do things better (thinking of Tullycraft and the like).

And then I think it's interesting how US and English (to paint in broad strokes) indiepop can be so different, how sometimes English bands (this is a horrible generalisation, sorry) can seem almost apologetic of what they're doing sometimes. I mean, I know there's some dead confident bands here (thinking of Bearsuit etc) but I think it'd be interesting to talk to some bands and see how they feel about that. Sorry, that's not very well thought out. I'm avoiding work.
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Post by soft revolution » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:49 pm

I've just read the article and realised that I know *nothing* about US Indiepop. There's my shopping list for the next month then.
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Re: A book on Indie Pop? Thoughts & ideas!

Post by Minky » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:08 pm

soft revolution wrote:I've just read the article and realised that I know *nothing* about US Indiepop. There's my shopping list for the next month then.
that pitchfork article annoyed me when i first read it, and still annoys me today. i had a little chuckle about line regarding heavenly's performances being "remarkably tight." did this person ever see heavenly live? full of inacuracies, i tell ya! it's like writing a college research paper using google as the source. anyhow... enough bitching.
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US indiepop? get thee to a record shop and buy 'winter pageant' by the softies immediately!

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Re: A book on Indie Pop? Thoughts & ideas!

Post by Minky » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:09 pm

i've just realized how old this topic is. you've probably bought your softies records by now!
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