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Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 00:54
by Jangloid Mark
postalblue wrote:Blown fuse, maybe? Or just the power suply.
Nah...there's power going to it...I'm going to check the fuses, but, at this point, it looks like it's bust :(

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 01:57
by will
postalblue wrote:Nah, some sucker will certainly take it.

Did I just call you a sucker indirectly? :) That's not what I meant, though.

Some metalhead will certainly be able to appreciate its suckiness. Get yourself a good and cheap small tube amp, like a Crate Vintage Club, a Peavey Classic, a Laney VC15 or a Fender Junior.

If you don't care for tubes, you can get a good solid state amp too for less money. See if you can test one of those simulation amps, like the Vox AD or the Spider something.
i've just had a listen back to some of what might be called my greatest hits, and it's just a catalogue of horrible tone.

i think i was a sucker when i got that amp, but i was also an awful lot younger, and listened to a lot more rock and punk than i do now.

i was looking at one of those Vox modelling amps in Cash Converters a while back, and researched it a bit on the internets, but then forgot to go back and actually try/buy it. probably gone now.

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 02:38
by marksby
The Peavey Classic is a good recommendation, I have a Classic 20 and it's tremendous, a wee tone monster. If you use stock valves it can be a bit too eager to get dirty on you, but there are alternative tube combinations which give you more clean range and make it very useable. In saying all that, I'm going to sell it and buy an Orange Tiny Terror with the money. I freakin' love Orange amps, and I have a cab with a pair of AlNiCo speakers in that I'm convinved it'll sound amazing through.

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Classic 20


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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:22
by postalblue
will wrote: i think i was a sucker when i got that amp, but i was also an awful lot younger,
Young people are suckers.;)

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 20:36
by will
i just located a Vox AD30VT for £80. i think my guitar and i are going to have to take a trip to try that.

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 22:34
by postalblue
will wrote:i just located a Vox AD30VT for £80. i think my guitar and i are going to have to take a trip to try that.
Let us know how you like it.

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 18:53
by let it ride
Eee, with my new guitar today I got a Line 6 Spider II amp:
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Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 19:03
by jayen_aitch
I could do with some advice about amps when used with microphones if anyone knows about such things.

I have an amp for my bass, a Laney RBW300.

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As you can see, above and elsewhere, Astrid today has bought all manner of things including a lovely new guitar, a suitable amp for said guitar, and a new microphone. However she has no amp for the mic - which is an Electrovoice N/D767a wired with vocal optimized (sic) bass.

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Of course, this means my bass amp looks very tempting to her - neither of us thinks she would get the best sound out of it, but it would probably work.

So far so good.

However, I am worried that my amp might not take too kindly to this. Does anyone know if it is liable to blow up or be otherwise damaged by this sort of treatment.

A quick googling finds that someone else has helpfully listed the main features of my amp as:
Dimensions: 50x58x48 cm (WxHxD)
15" speaker
Switchable horn
(300 Watts!) 165 Watts RMS
Effects loop
External speaker jack
Wedge-shaped

Active and passive/active inputs
Compressor
Enhance and bass levels
Frequency and gain knobs for Lo and Hi paramid
Separate treble/limit defeat button, volume knob,
Horn and limit defeat switches
D.I. Input
Separate tuner jack

Return and send effects jacks,
Tuner jack
Note: Added wheels for easier transportation
As for Astrid's new microphone
Specifications
Element Dynamic
Polar Pattern Supercardioid
Impedance, Low-Z balanced 300 Ohms
Connector Type 3-pin XLR
Open Circuit Voltage 3.1 mV/Pascal
Audio Frequency Response 35 - 22,000 Hz Near Field 70 - 22,000 Hz Far Field
Mic Type Handheld
Wired/Wireless Wired
Finish Non-reflecting Black
Case Material Metal
Weight Net 260 g ( 9.17 oz )
Dimensions (Height X Max Diameter) 181 x 52 mm
(7.13" x 2.05")
So, yes, does anyone know if this will result in simply a messy tone, or if it will result in my having an ex-bass amp, or one which is damaged?

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 19:56
by postalblue
let it ride wrote:Eee, with my new guitar today I got a Line 6 Spider II amp:
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Is it any good?

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 20:01
by postalblue
jayen_aitch wrote:I could do with some advice about amps when used with microphones if anyone knows about such things.

As you can see, above and elsewhere, Astrid today has bought all manner of things including a lovely new guitar, a suitable amp for said guitar, and a new microphone. However she has no amp for the mic - which is an Electrovoice N/D767a wired with vocal optimized (sic) bass.

Of course, this means my bass amp looks very tempting to her - neither of us thinks she would get the best sound out of it, but it would probably work.

So far so good.

However, I am worried that my amp might not take too kindly to this. Does anyone know if it is liable to blow up or be otherwise damaged by this sort of treatment.

So, yes, does anyone know if this will result in simply a messy tone, or if it will result in my having an ex-bass amp, or one which is damaged?
It won't damage your amp, but it will probably sound awful. For vocals, your b est bet is to get a small mixer and a powered PA or a small powered mixer and a passive PA. Might be a little pricy but it will sound pretty good (and loud).

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 20:04
by let it ride
I have no money, I haven't even got the money I spent today.

So, no. But thanks for the advice. I have played guitar through that amp for the last three years, so it is ncie just to have a guitar amp. And I will use the mic mainly for recording, it's just shit that I can't rehearse with both at the same time.

AMP vs AMP!

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 16:28
by soft revolution
I thought I'd ask this thread for opinions!

I'm currently playing in a two piece with just guitars and drums, we've not gigged yet but I have and ampy dilemma

Basically we've been rehearsing using a Selmer Treble and Bass Head and a nice arrangement of 10 speakers (two 12" in a Carlsbro cab and eight 8" in Selmer Columns). My thinking for this was to create a lot of sound to make up for the lack of a bass guitar in the band and the head gives it a very full rage through bass & treble.

But, I've just got my old Fender Twin fixed and fallen in love with it again this afternoon. It's such a beautiful amp and you can hear the notes so much more perfectly and I think it suits me a bit better BUT I'm not sure it cuts the mustard in the bass department for a two piece. Though it is much more portable, has way more sustain, and doesn't take an hour to warm up.

Sooo, which amp do I use live. The one that suits me and not the band, or the one that suits the band and not me. What would everyone else do?

Re: AMP vs AMP!

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 18:04
by bocken
soft revolution wrote:I thought I'd ask this thread for opinions!

I'm currently playing in a two piece with just guitars and drums, we've not gigged yet but I have and ampy dilemma

Basically we've been rehearsing using a Selmer Treble and Bass Head and a nice arrangement of 10 speakers (two 12" in a Carlsbro cab and eight 8" in Selmer Columns). My thinking for this was to create a lot of sound to make up for the lack of a bass guitar in the band and the head gives it a very full rage through bass & treble.

But, I've just got my old Fender Twin fixed and fallen in love with it again this afternoon. It's such a beautiful amp and you can hear the notes so much more perfectly and I think it suits me a bit better BUT I'm not sure it cuts the mustard in the bass department for a two piece. Though it is much more portable, has way more sustain, and doesn't take an hour to warm up.

Sooo, which amp do I use live. The one that suits me and not the band, or the one that suits the band and not me. What would everyone else do?
Wow, a dilemma I'd love to have. Get an ABY box and use both...

I'm smiling at the idea of a Fender Twin being more portable than anything this side of an Ampeg 8x10. I guess columns mean you need a decent-sized car or something, but a I'd rather move 2 4x12" columns than one 'Marshall' style 4x12".

I'd say the Selmer is probably your best bet though, like you said you need the bottom end (although, maybe you could get a small bass cab, like a 2x10" or a 1x15", and add that to the twin?)

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 18:07
by let it ride
postalblue wrote:
let it ride wrote:Eee, with my new guitar today I got a Line 6 Spider II amp:
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Is it any good?
Yeah thanks, it's brilliant! The sound is spectacular, powerful and really clear. I absolutely adore all the effects that you can add on and mix and match as you please. They make it a lot of fun and I love all the different settings in general, to play around with for whatever sound you want. A great all-rounder!

Re: AMP vs AMP!

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 18:26
by soft revolution
bocken wrote:
soft revolution wrote:I thought I'd ask this thread for opinions!

I'm currently playing in a two piece with just guitars and drums, we've not gigged yet but I have and ampy dilemma

Basically we've been rehearsing using a Selmer Treble and Bass Head and a nice arrangement of 10 speakers (two 12" in a Carlsbro cab and eight 8" in Selmer Columns). My thinking for this was to create a lot of sound to make up for the lack of a bass guitar in the band and the head gives it a very full rage through bass & treble.

But, I've just got my old Fender Twin fixed and fallen in love with it again this afternoon. It's such a beautiful amp and you can hear the notes so much more perfectly and I think it suits me a bit better BUT I'm not sure it cuts the mustard in the bass department for a two piece. Though it is much more portable, has way more sustain, and doesn't take an hour to warm up.

Sooo, which amp do I use live. The one that suits me and not the band, or the one that suits the band and not me. What would everyone else do?
Wow, a dilemma I'd love to have. Get an ABY box and use both...

I'm smiling at the idea of a Fender Twin being more portable than anything this side of an Ampeg 8x10. I guess columns mean you need a decent-sized car or something, but a I'd rather move 2 4x12" columns than one 'Marshall' style 4x12".

I'd say the Selmer is probably your best bet though, like you said you need the bottom end (although, maybe you could get a small bass cab, like a 2x10" or a 1x15", and add that to the twin?)
I had thought about using both... I don't think it'd be feasable doing a gig outside of my living room what with all the lugging around involved though :)

You're spot on with the bass cab + Twin idea though. It seems wrong to not use the Twin in some way. I think that might be the solution.

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 01:34
by James_B
still thinking about this or the combo version-
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even though my tiny terror is small and great, i think i want something even smaller because i have weak arms.

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 21:09
by soft revolution
J Mascis' set up, it just takes the piss really - but still, wow.

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Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 21:33
by postalblue
Wtf? And he still sucks?!

soft revolution wrote:J Mascis' set up, it just takes the piss really - but still, wow.

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Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 21:37
by jayen_aitch
beautiful diagram though.

Re: Amps: the bit the music comes out of

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 22:41
by Rimbaud
postalblue wrote:Wtf? And he still sucks?!
Are you mad?