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Post by tompony » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:12 pm

Hmm, sounds interesting! I guess they must send out a fair amount of advertising email and stuff, but a free subscription and some recording tips sounds like a good deal. I think I'll have a go!

Cheers for the info.

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Post by marksby » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:56 pm

No, no spam email at all, I mean't that the free subscriptions were supported by the advertising in the magazine itself. Sorry for being unclear.

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Post by tompony » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:00 pm

No worries, it was the sign up procedure stuff - "please note that we may pass on your details to other companies", "if any of our emails bounce then we will cancel the subscription" etc. - rather than your post that made me think that. But if there's no spam then all the better!

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Re: recording on computers

Post by humblebee » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:13 pm

So I spent more than 100 quid on a Lexicon Lambda soundcard thing the other week, and I was so excited I even got myself a condenser mic for recording acoustic guitar as well.

Unfortunately Windows Vista tries to install new drivers for the Lambda every time I plug it in, only to succeed in fucking it up. But I've copied the drivers over from the installation CD to the hard drive, so every time I plug the Lambda in and Windows fucks it up, I can just unfuck it by re-running the proper driver. Bit of a pain in the arse, but hey.

Windows also sets the Lambda as the default mic and speaker devices. The documentation for the Lambda says I have to set my default mic and speaker devices back to the computer's internal things once this has happened. Another pain in the arse. I guess I can deal with that though.

What I want to do is set everything up so I can record from the mic and through the guitar pickup at the same time, on to different tracks.

I'm trying out Sony ACID Music Studio as recommended by Mark, but it doesn't seem at all happy about the Lambda. Sometimes it won't accept any recording input from it and gave me mysterious error messages when I pressed the record button, then it just did nothing and wouldn't open the preferences menu so I could change it. It's co-operating again for the moment, but I can't see a way of setting it up to recognise the two separate inputs. It says it can record two tracks at once but I don't know how. I suspect there's some sort of mono/stereo issue. The mic is mono; I've no idea about the pickup though, or even whether this makes a difference.

They packaged Cubase LE with the Lambda. I've never used Cubase before because whenever I've installed a trial version it's always looked impossibly complicated and technical. And so does this version. It makes my hair stand on end just looking at it.

Perhaps I should buy the latest version of Tracktion, because the version I've got won't work on my new computer with Vista and it's the only recording software I've ever been able to use (I can't even work out how to move backwards and forwards in Audacity, for fuck's sake, which is supposed to be easier than falling off a bike). But given all the cash I've wasted on recordingy things in the past, I just worry that I'm going to keep spending money and spending money and everything will just keep fucking up and I'll never be able to do anything ever.

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Post by tompony » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:39 pm

Crikey, that sounds like a nightmare. The driver stuff does sound like it might be Vista-based, from the various music-making based forums I secretly lurk around, it seems like there are still quite a few issues there... This is the main reason I've never bothered upgrading from Windows 2000!

I reckon you should get Tracktion though, mainly just because I had a look at the website and I like this picture:

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Post by humblebee » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:51 pm

Hee. It *is* kind of calling to me...

Actually, the same thing happened with the drivers on my old machine, running XP, whenever I plugged in my M-Audio thing (another waste of £100 - I don't even know what it's supposed to do). It just seems to me to be a problem with USB devices generally.

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Post by James_B » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:30 pm

marksby wrote:Does anyone else read Tape Op magazine? It's pretty techy, and a lot of the stuff they cover isn't of much use to home recording people, but it's got lots of useful stuff in terms of technique, mic placement, that sort of thing, and some interesting articles about the production of classic records. Best of all, you can get a free!! (supported by advertising, apparently) subscription here:

www.tapeop.com
I second the Tape Op recommendation 100 times over.
I'd say it's not too techy, not compared to the likes of sound on sound, and it's kind of aimed at the indie rock side of thing, and recording on a budget. They also have some interesting interviews with people which aren't explicitly about recording, there was a good one with E from Eels in the last issue. I think John Vanderslice is involved in it as well sometimes.

The forum is really good too, they're not too uptight about it all and don't laugh off inexperienced people like me too quickly.

So yeah, get it.

I recorded some new songs for my band the other day, I used the 'recorderman' drum technique and it was surprisingly brilliant.

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Re: recording on computers

Post by soft revolution » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:44 am

Has anyone got any experience with using a stand alone Hard Disk Recorder?

From what I've heard it seems so much simpler than trying to use a computer.
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Re: recording on computers

Post by kingofpartick » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:10 am

i've got a roland hard disk recorder and its great, and can do loads of stuff and is fairly easy to use. I should really set it up to use properly again, its not been switched on for eons. I still want to get my computer music'd up though so i have a choice. Partly for portability, if i'm off on tour, i can mess about with tracks on my laptop that i couldn't do with the multi-track. I still haven't done anything about it yet though.

Vista does get on my thrupenny bits, i was thinking about removing it and putting XP back on, but thats probably more trouble than its worth.
I remember when all this was fields

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Post by soft revolution » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:19 am

Ace, I think easyness is top of my shopping list which is also why I haven't really explored computer programs. Garage band looks easy but I've not got a mac.

What sort of stuff can you do and which model is it?
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by kingofpartick » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:26 am

It was the Roland VS-890. Its pretty old now, but its great. They have new fancy dan ones that are probably bigger faster and with more bells and whistles for less money these days.
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Re: recording on computers

Post by will » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:52 pm

my computer's soundcard (built-in motherboard one) for some reason puts a fade on things and i don't know how to make it not. does anyone know what i mean and know how to stop it? it kinda rounds off the edge of dynamics, which is useless for recording with.

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Post by jannerboy » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:17 pm

Will - what soundcard are you using? I remember having a similar problem trying to record from a turntable using Audacity. Some soundcards are defaulted to voice recording (i.e.dictation) settings, so they have a high & low cut applied to the microphone input. You may need to go into the Control Panel and fiddle around with the recording settings. I think I had to untick a box labelled "Voice Recording".

Hope this helps.

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Post by James_B » Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:59 pm

i'm trying to record a bass guitar and i'm having basically no luck getting any sound that isn't either a muffled low frequency mess or so tinny that it might as well be a guitar.

i can't seem to find a way to make it both powerful and actually audible in the mix, it's frustrating.

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Post by Concrete » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:05 pm

James_B wrote:i'm trying to record a bass guitar and i'm having basically no luck getting any sound that isn't either a muffled low frequency mess or so tinny that it might as well be a guitar.

i can't seem to find a way to make it both powerful and actually audible in the mix, it's frustrating.
Mmm. If you solve this, let me know. I've got pages of notes for re-working some stuff t'other half and I recorded for the RPM challenge, but I've resorted to "get [mate who knows about stuff] to help" for all the bass bits that need re-recording.

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Post by Sootyzilla » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:10 pm

James_B wrote:i'm trying to record a bass guitar and i'm having basically no luck getting any sound that isn't either a muffled low frequency mess or so tinny that it might as well be a guitar.

i can't seem to find a way to make it both powerful and actually audible in the mix, it's frustrating.
i haven't successfully done this myself yet, but the theory is that you need to make room for the bass in the mix. i.e. cut the bass on your guitar and keyboards so they sound tinny by themselves, but leave room for the bass guitar. there are charts and stuff flotaitng around the internet telling you which frequencies to cut and/or boost.
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Post by James_B » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:55 pm

i'll give that a go, i'm kind of worried that just cutting everything else at 100hz or something will make it sound a bit weird, but it's worth a shot... it doesn't help that my speakers have basically no bass in them and that my headphones are overpoweringly bassy either.

it's awful that i'm half way through a music technology degree and i'm still asking these things...

also, i'm thinking about selling a load of crap to fund buying this- http://www.dv247.com/invt/48017/#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

i don't know if i'm just drawn to it because i want something that will make people think i'm ace at it because i've got silver faders and LEDs

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Post by jannerboy » Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:38 pm

I'm by no means an expert, but have been playing around with this over the last few months, and might have a few tricks and tips I use that may be useful for recording bass guitar...

1. Add some treble to your amp (or whatever amp modelling you're using) before you start recording - having some treble on your bass will add some sheen in the mix, and you can't add it in if it's not there to start with.

2. I usually pan due east or west in the mix, and try and keep separate from any other tracks that may overlap with frequencies (e.g Organ)

3. Low cut EQ on neighbouring instruments may work with guitars, which are more resilient radical EQing, but not really suitable for drums, unless you intentionally want them to sound trebley. An alternative may be to use a subtle amount of sidechain compression to the drums mapped to the bass channel signal, and applied around 100 hz, to give the Bass more room in the mix.

4. If your speakers are buzzing from the lower frequency dynamics, it might be worth applying some compression to the bass channel around e.g 30hz. Another trick could be to apply some reverb set with low frequency reflections in order to dampen these frequencies.

However, I still feel I'm very much using trial and error when applying compression to bass. I've been strithing to get some sort of fat Serge Gainsbourg / Jean Claude Vannier tones, but with no success as yet. Any help appreciated!

Hope this helps anyway.

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Post by James_B » Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:46 pm

i was thinking about panning the bass one way or the other, but the idea of having the bass dead centre all the time is a hard one to shake.

i think part of my problem might be my shitty amp and microphones, i'm going to borrow a decent amp and possibly a DI box too. with mostly every other instrument i seem to get away with poor equipment, but i can't get bass right with it.

i'm wondering if my monitors are broken as well, i'm having to using my £30 pair of headphones to hear any low frequencies...

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Re: recording on computers

Post by James_B » Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:11 pm

i was thinking about panning the bass one way or the other, but the idea of having the bass dead centre all the time is a hard one to shake.

i think part of my problem might be my shitty amp and microphones, i'm going to borrow a decent amp and possibly a DI box too. with mostly every other instrument i seem to get away with poor equipment, but i can't get bass right with it.

i'm wondering if my monitors are broken as well, i'm having to using my £30 pair of headphones to hear any low frequencies...

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