STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by humblebee » Tue Jul 19, 2011 15:56

a layer of chips wrote:On t'internet. It must be true. I used "mindsets" instead.
Good call.

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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by crystalball » Tue Jul 19, 2011 20:45

a layer of chips wrote:Is the plural of ethos really ethoi? I'm not using that. I'll sound like a right twat.
Strictly speaking, if you go by the original Greek word, the plural should be 'ethe'. Not that it matters.

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Post by hayleygerms » Tue Jul 19, 2011 21:06

crystalball wrote:
Strictly speaking, if you go by the original Greek word, the plural should be 'ethe'. Not that it matters.
Aw, that's what I was gonna say! Great minds, etc.
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Post by squirrelboutique » Tue Jul 19, 2011 21:53

I was going to say I'd read ethe somewhere, too, but I don't make claims to having the great minds you two have!

Can you settle the syllabuses/syllabi thing? I say it's syllabuses for a variety of reasons, but then I get paranoid that people at work who say syllabi might think I'm a bit dumb. It especially sucks when I use syllabuses in the same conversation in which someone's used syllabi.

Take your time as this isn't a grammar emergency that needs STETTED STAT. School's not back in till August 18.

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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by a layer of chips » Wed Jul 20, 2011 05:42

crystalball wrote:
a layer of chips wrote:Is the plural of ethos really ethoi? I'm not using that. I'll sound like a right twat.
Strictly speaking, if you go by the original Greek word, the plural should be 'ethe'. Not that it matters.
That sounds better than ethoi. However, when all I was talking about was a pair of commercial property agents, I really shouldn't have even asked the question in the first place.

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Post by Big Nose » Wed Jul 20, 2011 14:16

squirrelboutique wrote:I was going to say I'd read ethe somewhere, too, but I don't make claims to having the great minds you two have!

Can you settle the syllabuses/syllabi thing? I say it's syllabuses for a variety of reasons, but then I get paranoid that people at work who say syllabi might think I'm a bit dumb. It especially sucks when I use syllabuses in the same conversation in which someone's used syllabi.

Take your time as this isn't a grammar emergency that needs STETTED STAT. School's not back in till August 18.
Syllabuses all the way. Syllabi is daft. Sounds nicer though. But just because the word is derived from Greek or Latin or anywhere else that shouldn't mean we apply different pluralisation. I don't wait 30 at the bus stop only for 2 busi* to arrive at once do I. Not unless I am an enormous poncy git.

* Probably "bi" since applying the syllabi logic to omnibus results in omnibi. As in, I was waiting at the bus stop the other day for 30 mins, then 2 bi arrived. Sounds slightly saucy.
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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by squirrelboutique » Wed Jul 20, 2011 16:53

Thanks! I'm going to stick with syllabuses then. I find that I end up usually trying to rephrase whatever I'm saying to use syllabus instead, so like "Give each student a syllabus" instead of "Give the students syllabuses." That way I avoid the whole issue and don't have to worry that someone is judging me. But I'm going to confidently say syllabuses from now on.

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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by moopind » Wed Jul 20, 2011 20:44

That made me look.

I found this on a forum:
"syllabus" belongs to the 4th Latin declension, not to the 2nd one ("amicus", "alumnus", etc.), and its plural is therefore "SYLLABUS" (like "domus", pl. "domus", and "portus", pl. "portus").

By popular analogy with words like "amicus", "alumnus" etc., the plural of "syllabus" -- when used in English -- has come to be "syllabi." Although this is now the most widespread usage, many classicists still cringe when they hear it.
I've no idea of how authoritative the poster of that response really is, but I'd say it's a deal breaker when arguing for your own version 'syllabuses'. It'll make you sound dead hard - "Hmm. A classicist would cringe at that analogy with second declension words, when 'syllabus' is actually fourth". (Snort. Arch brow. Show top teeth).
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Post by Silver Girl » Thu Jul 21, 2011 15:15

I did have a feeling 'syllabus' was 4th rather than 2nd but I didn't want to raise my head over the Latin parapet in case I was wrong. Ahem.
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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by a layer of chips » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:43

PLEASE TELL ME I'M NOT GOING MAD.

A press officer just rang me up and pronounced Benelux "benny-loo". I've been pronouncing it "benny-lucks" for ever.

PLEASE TELL ME I'M RIGHT.

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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by moopind » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:45

You are right.
Benelux [ˈbɛnɪˌlʌks]
n
1. (Placename) the customs union formed by Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg in 1948; became an economic union in 1960
2. (Placename) these countries collectively
Collins dictionary.
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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by a layer of chips » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:48

I love you.

Stupid press officer.

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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by Jane » Wed Jul 27, 2011 13:03

Perhaps they pronounce Luxembourg "loo-em-berg" too.

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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by a layer of chips » Wed Jul 27, 2011 13:13

I think she was getting it mixed up with gateaux.

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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by Gordon » Wed Jul 27, 2011 14:39

That woman, yesterday:
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Re: STET this STAT: a grammar emergency thread!

Post by Murray » Wed Jul 27, 2011 15:07

Stupid press officer foos up again.

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