I'd like to buy a record player... recommendations?

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I'd like to buy a record player... recommendations?

Post by plastic stars » Fri Aug 27, 2010 20:12

Hello everyone!

These past few months I've become more and more involved in the whole indie-pop scene and I've realized that a big part of it is collecting vinyl...mainly 7s, and I figured I'd like to begin a collection myself. It will be more fun to have a physical copy of music I love rather than simply a file on my computer, no?
Anyway, I'll obviously need a record player. I don't want to spend too much and was looking at this one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GY ... d_i=507846)

Any thoughts or recommendations? Should I not even bother? Thank you!!

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Post by Outcognito » Sat Aug 28, 2010 00:17

plastic stars wrote:Hello everyone!

These past few months I've become more and more involved in the whole indie-pop scene and I've realized that a big part of it is collecting vinyl...mainly 7s, and I figured I'd like to begin a collection myself. It will be more fun to have a physical copy of music I love rather than simply a file on my computer, no?
Anyway, I'll obviously need a record player. I don't want to spend too much and was looking at this one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GY ... d_i=507846)

Any thoughts or recommendations? Should I not even bother? Thank you!!

-Patrick
Hi Patrick - Uncle Ants on here should be able to point you in the right direction.
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Post by plastic stars » Sat Aug 28, 2010 00:43

Thanks! I suppose I'll shoot him a PM
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Re: I'd like to buy a record player... recommendations?

Post by Uncle Ants » Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:57

Patrick, I'm off camping for a week. Can't give meaningful reply now. Will post when I return.
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Post by plastic stars » Sat Aug 28, 2010 18:51

Uncle Ants wrote:Patrick, I'm off camping for a week. Can't give meaningful reply now. Will post when I return.
Thanks a lot...enjoy camping!
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Post by everard » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:30

bearing in mind that you
plastic stars wrote:just spent $45 on ebay on the emma's house 7"
& want to get more into record buying, i really think it would be worth considering spending more on a turntable than the $70 audio technica one.

i'm sure it's a decent budget turntable & see that the list price is $150, but i think it's worth thinking bigger: if you're willing to bid hard for stuff on ebay then it makes sense to have a really good turntable to play the records on.

i have a technics sl1210 mk2: it cost about £400 in '99, which seemed insane until i thought of it as maybe a couple of months' record shopping. i've now had it for over ten years & fully expect it to last at least as long again. definitely not an audiophile turntable (or ideal for guitar-based music, even) but it plays well & the things are virtually indestructible, a big plus point.
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i'm not suggesting you get the same one & am not knowledgeable enough to make other recommendations (though the entry models of the rega & pro-ject ranges seem popular), just saying that it can really be worth saving up a little. also, buying from a hifi shop in person is probably a good idea (i realise the amazon link was mainly for reference).

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Post by westgatestreet » Sun Oct 03, 2010 22:08

A whole month too late, but let me point out that I quite like my reloop turntable. Reloop is a lot cheaper than Technics but works very fine. Direct drive 'n all.
If you still haven't decided which one to buy (I guess you already have though), I can easily recommend the brand.

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Post by String Bean Jen » Tue Oct 05, 2010 14:37

everard wrote: i have a technics sl1210 mk2: it cost about £400 in '99, which seemed insane until i thought of it as maybe a couple of months' record shopping. i've now had it for over ten years & fully expect it to last at least as long again. definitely not an audiophile turntable (or ideal for guitar-based music, even) but it plays well & the things are virtually indestructible, a big plus point.
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i'm not suggesting you get the same one & am not knowledgeable enough to make other recommendations (though the entry models of the rega & pro-ject ranges seem popular), just saying that it can really be worth saving up a little. also, buying from a hifi shop in person is probably a good idea (i realise the amazon link was mainly for reference).
That looks exactly like the Technics turntable I used to have in the U.S. It was a hand-me-down from my dad's friend and my, was it sturdy. I loved that thing and was sad to have to leave it in the U.S. but my fairly new record player is ok. I liked how the Technics automatically stopped though, so I didn't have to fear for scratching the record or ruining the needle when I don't get up instantly to stop the record.
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Re: I'd like to buy a record player... recommendations?

Post by Paul » Tue Oct 05, 2010 16:50

Slightly off topic, but my Allo Darlin' LP is bent and sounds awful as the needle goes up and down on the out of shape vinyl. I have no idea how it happened :(

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Post by Uncle Ants » Tue Oct 05, 2010 17:01

Paul wrote:Slightly off topic, but my Allo Darlin' LP is bent and sounds awful as the needle goes up and down on the out of shape vinyl. I have no idea how it happened :(
Either bad storage in the shop/wholesaler or a general pressing fault that effects them all usually. In this case the former I think as mine's flat. Return for another I think.

That technics above is actually more "audiophile" than many so called "audiophiles" will admit. If they don't sound so hot sometimes, usually it's because they have been fitted with a horrible lump of a DJ cartridge. Fit a decent cartridge and it'svery respectable. Be a little wary of second hand ones though. There are good ones ... but there are also ones which have been DJed to death and are the record player equivalent of old VWs that have been to moon and back on the clock. They are very sturdy it's true but the way they get treated sometimes beggars belief.
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Post by everard » Tue Oct 05, 2010 21:59

String Bean Jen wrote:I liked how the Technics automatically stopped though, so I didn't have to fear for scratching the record or ruining the needle when I don't get up instantly to stop the record.
mine doesn't have that feature. don't think i've ever left anything spinning for more than half an hour, but checking that the red light's off is part of my bedtime/going out routine (i'll save the rest of the routine for the anorak ocd thread).
Uncle Ants wrote:That technics above is actually more "audiophile" than many so called "audiophiles" will admit. If they don't sound so hot sometimes, usually it's because they have been fitted with a horrible lump of a DJ cartridge. Fit a decent cartridge and it's very respectable.
am i right in thinking that what i'm using (stanton 500-ii) is marketed as suitable for general use but really is a dj cartridge?

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it sounds pretty okay to me, but since i'm due a replacement, can you recommend a better option? also, how often should i be replacing it? i probably do so every 2 years & as i use it everyday that's quite a lot of listening hours.

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Post by Trev » Tue Oct 05, 2010 22:22

everard wrote:it sounds pretty okay to me, but since i'm due a replacement, can you recommend a better option? also, how often should i be replacing it? i probably do so every 2 years & as i use it everyday that's quite a lot of listening hours.
I'd be interested in cartridge replacement details. Have got a Stanton T80 DJ deck and need to replace soon-ish.
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Post by Uncle Ants » Tue Oct 05, 2010 23:44

If you are looking for a good quality but reasonably priced (ie less than £100) hifi cartridge as opposed to a DJ cartridge, then I'd look at an Ortofon 2M Red. They are a fair bit more than a Stanton at around £80 or so but you will definitely notice the sound difference so long as whatever you play it through is of reasonable quality. HiFi cartridges are built with sound quality as the main priority. With a DJ stylus robustness is the main priority, with a very high output second and sound quality usually third.

The lifespan of the Stanton's stylus would be around 600 to 800 hours play. The lifespan of something like the 2M Red would be more like 1500 hours. So pricier but longer lasting. You'll have to take a guess how many hours a week you play on average to work out what it means in years.

Other cheaper and still pretty good options are the Audio Technica AT95e (£35 or so) or the Ortofon OM5e (£45 or so). Not quite as good as the 2M Red but both better and longer lasting stylus tips than the Stanton.

The other thing worth doing if you have a deck fitted with a slip mat is to use a heavy rubber mat instead of a slip mat. The heavy rubber ones aren't great for DJing but will damp the platter much better (stop it ringing and singing along with the stylus). The Technics come with them, but a lot of DJ style decks don't.
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Post by everard » Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:30

many thanks, that's really helpful.

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Re: I'd like to buy a record player... recommendations?

Post by northernlight » Sun Feb 19, 2012 23:46

I'm thinking that I probably need to replace my record deck. It's a NAD 5120 and it is ancient!

I'm told that a stylus should be replaced every 2-4 years. Is that true or am I just hearing a sales pitch?

I've had my current stylus for about 15 years! My records kind of still sound ok - but maybe you don't miss what you don't hear?

I went into a shop yesterday - one of those fancypants hifi shops - and the guy there was raving about Regas.

I wonder if anyone has bought a record deck recently, or perhaps in the last 5 years or so - and if so, which one?

Or if anyone has a Rega and would recommend it?

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Re: I'd like to buy a record player... recommendations?

Post by bocken » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:30

I bought a Rega RP1 last year and it's great, though I was upgrading from a 12yr-old Maplin SL1200-copy, so they're not really comparable.

A stylus has a finite lifespan, but if you don't use it often it'll take longer to wear out..

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Re: I'd like to buy a record player... recommendations?

Post by tonieee » Mon Feb 20, 2012 18:35

I have a rega planar 2 that I've had almost twenty years and it is really great but has two downsides:

- to change the speed (between 33 and 45) you have to take the turntable off and manually move the belt. There's no button for changing the speed like on most record players. This annoyed of when I first got put I've kind of got used to it.

- new stylus for it are *really* expensive. I think the last one was about £90. This is because they've stopped making the type of stylus that my cartridge takes but there the stylus for the posher version of the cartridge is still made but is much more expensive without giving me any better sound! I may see about replacing the cartridge next time I need to replace the stylus. So it's probably worth checking how much a new stylus would be before buying one.

Uncle Ants once told me that playing records with a worn stylus will damage your records. I don't know how often you should replace your stylus - it probably depends on how often you play records and the type of stylus. I usually replace mine when I notice the sound quality going rubbish. I think I've done it three times in all the time I've had it.

Do you need a new record player though? Just because it's old doesn't mean it's rubbish. If it still works then maybe just replace the stylus?

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Post by boney » Mon Feb 20, 2012 23:46

I spent about £40 on a new stylus for my Pro-Ject III, the old one was sounding buggered (after roughly 5 years of pretty heavy use).. sounds like a gem again. Was nervous about spending that much on one but glad now.

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Post by everard » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:59

northernlight wrote:My records kind of still sound ok - but maybe you don't miss what you don't hear?
i eventually (a full year later) upgraded my cartridge to the ortofon 2m red as recommended by uncle ants above -- it makes an amazing difference & i was happy enough before. so, yes, you don't miss what you don't hear.

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Re: I'd like to buy a record player... recommendations?

Post by matt_crisp » Mon May 14, 2012 15:58

i put an Ortofon 2M Red on my Project Debut Esprit III 6 months ago and it's fantastic.

The worrying this now is that when i change speeds the belt seems like it's getting a bit loose, but it's £30 for a new one, for what amounts ot not much more than a rubber band. i don't think it's affected the speed of my records yet but then again if it's been a gradual thing maybe it has, i just find it hard to justify £30 on a new belt.

anyone had a belt die on them?

**EDIT** I'd forgotten how sometimes ebay can be your friend, i got a new belt, same spec for £6. it's been years since i used ebay, i wonder how much money i could've been saving?

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