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Q&A for building/running websites

Post by humblebee » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:48

I've got this news page on my website, right. Does anyone know how I'd go about making it so people could subscribe to it as if it were a blog? (I think "using an RSS reader" is what I ought to say instead of "as if it were a blog", but I'm on shaky ground, so.)

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Post by crystalball » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:02

I am just as clueless but I think that you can't subscribe to an html page. It's all xml these days, you know.

Look: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by humblebee » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:11

I was just looking at this page: http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/739/1/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and wondering how they do it. And whether there's an easy way to work it all out, without spending most of a week on it like a proper web person would.

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Post by tonieee » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:25

humblebee wrote:I was just looking at this page: http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/739/1/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and wondering how they do it. And whether there's an easy way to work it all out, without spending most of a week on it like a proper web person would.
Try this tutorial: http://www.xul.fr/en-xml-rss.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Basically you just need to create an xml file (which looks a bit like html) which lists the news items and put a link to it. The example you gave above looks a bit like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<!-- generator="FeedCreator 1.7.2" -->
<rss version="2.0">
<channel>
<title>When Saturday Comes</title>
<description>The Half Decent Football Magazine</description>
<link>http://www.wsc.co.uk</link>
<lastBuildDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:24:21 +0100</lastBuildDate>

<generator>FeedCreator 1.7.2</generator>
<image>
<url>http://www.wsc.co.uk/images/M_images/jo ... s.png</url>
<title>When Saturday Comes, The Half Decent Football Magazine</title>
<link>http://www.wsc.co.uk</link>
<description>The Half Decent Football Magazine</description>

</image>
<item>
<title>Taken for Granted</title>
<link>http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/737/38/</link>
<description>Monday 7 April ~ So the Premier League title race is not yet over.... etc...</description>
<category>WSC Daily - April 2008</category>

<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:35:55 +0100</pubDate>
</item>
...some more items...
</channel>
</rss>
There is software to do this automatically but you might be just as well doing it by hand.

I've never used RSS myself but it doesn't seem too hard...

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Post by crystalball » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:44

tonieee, you make me feel so stupid.

I know I didn't start this thread but this is all really useful, thanks.

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Post by tonieee » Tue Apr 08, 2008 14:27

crystalball wrote:tonieee, you make me feel so stupid.

I know I didn't start this thread but this is all really useful, thanks.
Well, it is kind of my job - I spend all day writing xml! Anyway all I did was type RSS into wikipedia and then had a look at the link Pete provided.

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Post by Gordon » Tue Apr 08, 2008 14:50

Pete, how do you update your website? You might consider installing some blog stuff on your website (although maybe that's more complicated for the time being than updating the rss xml manually).

Webheads, do you still have to include something like:

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<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS 2.0" href="http://www.website.org.uk/?feed=rss2" />
	<link rel="alternate" type="text/xml" title="RSS .92" href="http://www.website.org.uk/?feed=rss" />
	<link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" title="Atom 0.3" href="http://www.website.org.uk/?feed=atom" />
to make the rss links show up in the URL bar?
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Post by humblebee » Tue Apr 08, 2008 15:04

I just type stuff in to Dreamweaver and upload the updated pages using FTP Surfer.

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Post by tonieee » Tue Apr 08, 2008 15:30

Gordon wrote:Pete, how do you update your website? You might consider installing some blog stuff on your website (although maybe that's more complicated for the time being than updating the rss xml manually).

Webheads, do you still have to include something like:

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<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS 2.0" href="http://www.website.org.uk/?feed=rss2" />
	<link rel="alternate" type="text/xml" title="RSS .92" href="http://www.website.org.uk/?feed=rss" />
	<link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" title="Atom 0.3" href="http://www.website.org.uk/?feed=atom" />
to make the rss links show up in the URL bar?
Yes, I believe so.
humblebee wrote:I just type stuff in to Dreamweaver and upload the updated pages using FTP Surfer.
Does Dreamweaver have an option for generating an RSS file?

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Post by humblebee » Tue Apr 08, 2008 15:36

tonieee wrote:Does Dreamweaver have an option for generating an RSS file?
It's got 'XML files' as an option on the 'save as' dropdown thing. *.rss is one of the formats it lists under that. So I think that's a yes!

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Post by tonieee » Tue Apr 08, 2008 15:38

tonieee wrote:Does Dreamweaver have an option for generating an RSS file?
I'll answer my own question: yes with the RSS DreamFeeder extension http://www.rnsoft.com/en/products/rssdreamfeeder/ but it costs money so you might be just as well creating the file yourself. It shouldn't be too much trouble unless you've got several news pages all being updated often.

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Post by tonieee » Tue Apr 08, 2008 15:41

humblebee wrote:
tonieee wrote:Does Dreamweaver have an option for generating an RSS file?
It's got 'XML files' as an option on the 'save as' dropdown thing. *.rss is one of the formats it lists under that. So I think that's a yes!
Cool! Maybe the Dreamfeeder thing just does it for you automatically when you update your page where as this you probably have to type the details in but it'll save you messing around in the xml. Personally I don't like these html/xml generation programs but that's cos I'm a geek and I'm happier hand-crafting things with vi...

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Post by tonieee » Thu Apr 10, 2008 08:32

Did you get anywhere with RSS Pete? I've now become interested enough in RSS to download and install an RSS reader so I need cool pop feeds to put into it.

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Post by humblebee » Thu Apr 10, 2008 08:51

I've been too busy this week to get stuck in to it. I'll have a look next week.

I just use Google Reader to keep track of RSS feeds, rather than install any special software.

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Post by tonieee » Thu Apr 10, 2008 09:08

humblebee wrote:I've been too busy this week to get stuck in to it. I'll have a look next week.

I just use Google Reader to keep track of RSS feeds, rather than install any special software.
Due to my antiquated computer setup I think a standalone one is better for me. I'm using newsbeuter.

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Post by Gordon » Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:32

On the mac, the one to go for is NetNewsWire.

I've been a bit off RSS recently. Too many feeds...
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Post by Tomb » Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:43

I used FeedEdit for manually creating feeds. A nifty tool.

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Post by Martijn » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:46

Tomb wrote:I used FeedEdit for manually creating feeds. A nifty tool.
Something like that sounds like the easiest solution, if only because XML is very strict and missing one < or ", which is bound to happen if you edit your file manually (I am talking from personal experience here), will cause your RSS feed to become illegible.

Of course, installing some blogging tool will be even easier (once you got it running), as it will generate RSS feeds for you while you write posts.

I don't think there is any blog/news site that does not do RSS feeds that I still visit. Even Chickfactor I forget to visit.

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Post by soft revolution » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:53

Can you just set up a wordpress blog and then point the news links elsewhere on your page to it? You'd need to set it up so it looks the same as your website though.

There's a great article about plug ins for a blog here - http://newmusicstrategies.com/2008/03/1 ... e-upgrade/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

You'll need akismet because it literally rids the world of spam and it's evils. I was on holiday for a week in early March and had 1000 spam comments when I returned. I installed Akismet and I've literally had 5 since.

I'm carrying out a feasibility study (asked a mate) if I can get Digg and Del.icio.us links and stuff on mine.
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Re: Q&A for building/running websites

Post by tonieee » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:29

Yay! I've now got an RSS feed on the Parallelograms popshows page! I did it with just a text editor - dead simple.

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