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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Uncle Ants » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:26 pm

Jangloid Mark wrote:Don't forget hotspots....you can connect to the net from almost anywhere these days....
I guess. I never really thought all that hard about it, never having had to worry about it, but if you wanted to leak something to someone and make it untraceable to you (at least by following the electronic paper trail) it's not going to be hard. And if your aim was to make the B N P look like a complete shambles and destroy their recruiting base, then posting it to the net for everyone to see is going to have far more wide reaching consequences than sending Searchlight some photocopies. Things have changed.
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Gordon » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:29 pm

I still can't get over the fact that we're talking about sleep-walking into a surveillance state, but Mark is entering things on a russian website with mysterious ownership, and who knows what sort of data protection laws, because he doesn't like the look of the new facebook...
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Jangloid Mark » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:34 pm

Gordon wrote:I still can't get over the fact that we're talking about sleep-walking into a surveillance state, but Mark is entering things on a russian website with mysterious ownership, and who knows what sort of data protection laws, because he doesn't like the look of the new facebook...
Yeah....but, everything on there is there because I *choose* it to be. Sadly only 6 people have joined me on there so far...and I keep getting friend requests from teenage Russian (I presume) girls that don't tend to wear a lot of clothes...

As an aside, I've tried to get other people to come over from Facebook, but, Facebook keeps deleting my posts when I mention the Russian site :(

Also, the stuff I've posted on there is copied from my - public - Facebook page...
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by a layer of chips » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:39 am

Gordon wrote: Re the B N P (again) I suppose it's fair that if people are embarrassed about what political party they support, they should have a right to privacy. Where people are being sacked, it is because they have breached the terms of their contract, and it doesn't really matter how this was found out. The worry with this list, is that some people may have made an inquiry once to the party (or in one case at least, had a B N P friend that was trying to recruit them...) but the fault lies squarely with the officers of the B N P for having such terribly lax procedures. I find it hard to believe that this list was, in fact, encrypted, and if it was, it was clearly allowed to sit around in an unencrypted form... I sort of wonder, how the procedures work within our parties, but I know it's hard enough to get Members data for legitimate use, and we had a whole shitstorm about uses of membership data for canvassing during our (English and Welsh) leadership election...
If you don't want people to know you're a B N P member, surely you just join The Green Party?

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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by a layer of chips » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:41 am

Jangloid Mark wrote: Sadly only 6 people have joined me on there so far...and I keep getting friend requests from teenage Russian (I presume) girls that don't tend to wear a lot of clothes...

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Really? Who'd have thunk it?

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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Jangloid Mark » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:47 am

a layer of chips wrote:Really? Who'd have thunk it?
One thing I will say for Facebook is that I get relatively few soft-porn-spammy friend requests. Myspace is the worst for it...
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Post by a layer of chips » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:47 am

So, you signed up to a Russian social networking site for "research" purposes, did you?

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Post by Jangloid Mark » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:53 am

a layer of chips wrote:So, you signed up to a Russian social networking site for "research" purposes, did you?
Hahahaha...no :)

I reject those type of friend requests...
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Gordon » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:37 pm

a layer of chips wrote:
Gordon wrote: Re the B N P (again) I suppose it's fair that if people are embarrassed about what political party they support, they should have a right to privacy. Where people are being sacked, it is because they have breached the terms of their contract, and it doesn't really matter how this was found out. The worry with this list, is that some people may have made an inquiry once to the party (or in one case at least, had a B N P friend that was trying to recruit them...) but the fault lies squarely with the officers of the B N P for having such terribly lax procedures. I find it hard to believe that this list was, in fact, encrypted, and if it was, it was clearly allowed to sit around in an unencrypted form... I sort of wonder, how the procedures work within our parties, but I know it's hard enough to get Members data for legitimate use, and we had a whole shitstorm about uses of membership data for canvassing during our (English and Welsh) leadership election...
If you don't want people to know you're a B N P member, surely you just join The Green Party?
I don't get it.
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by a layer of chips » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:39 pm

It was a crazy satirical jibe at the two Green Party members on that B N P list. I'm obviously too clever for you.

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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Gordon » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:48 pm

a layer of chips wrote:It was a crazy satirical jibe at the two Green Party members on that B N P list. I'm obviously too clever for you.
Contrast the Green Party press release (one had a nervous breakdown joined the B N P for two weeks and then decided not to reapply to the Greens, and the other is a fucking idiot priest) with the Times article 'Green Leading Lights on B N P list. If they were leading lights, how come I had never heard of them...?

No insult to your sense of humour it's just that there are about 100 comedy angles that could link the B N P to the Green Party. Now I'm off to bomb Harry's place (not really, Mr MI5)

Actually the only parties that don't seem to be on that list are the Socialist ones (not including Labour...)
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by a layer of chips » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:50 pm

Touched a nerve, Adolf? I've seen your stiff arm routine, and I don't like it one bit.

Fuck The Times. Like no-one who has ever worked for that newspaper has ever had any fascistic leanings, eh?

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Post by Gordon » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:54 pm

Apparently the Guardian concentrated on the Conservative Labour LibDem and UKIP members, which was nice of them.

From the Green grapevine:
John Stanton was coordinator of the S E Essex party when I joined in 1988. He soon dropped out, then rejoined years later. He has pretty right wing views, but I'm surprised he joined the B N P.

He has been a member of the Conservatives, Lib Dems (I think he was leader of Rochford district council for a time), and UKIP as well as the Greens. Basically he just hates socialists
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Jangloid Mark » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:09 pm

Here's one for you...

A name has started cropping up on the 'people you may know' thing on Facebook. The name rang a vague bell, so, I looked at the profile.

No friends in common, the guy is in America.

A little digging and I found the link.
Earlier this week, I sent out Skype invites to everone in my email address book (usually importing such things, I go through the list, but, being in a hurry and having loads of other stuff to do, on this occasion I didn't) - he was one of them...it turns out he was in my address book from when I bought a CD off him about 3 years ago.

So, how on earth did Facebook make the link when....
1. Skype runs completely outside of (and is therefore independent of) Firefox?

2. In my Facebook settings, I made a point of not allowing communication between FB and other websites?

How does that work?
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Gordon » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:35 pm

It may be a coincidence.
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by darvé » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:45 pm

Is your FB account set up with the same email address you sent the Skype invites from? If so, then i think that must be it. It's probably coincidence that you sent him a Skype invite, and therefore remember the name, but not a conicidence that FB has 'seen' him in your email address book.

The same things been happening to me recently. All these random people with no mutual friends. I presume they must have changed their search parameters as it never used to happen.
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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by crystalball » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:53 pm

Hope those of you who are on Facebook are planning to repent soon cos the end is clearly nigh.

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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Contravene » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:54 pm

Could be something happening at the other end, the guy in america might have imported his address book to his facebook profile.

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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by islandhopper » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:06 pm

Contravene wrote:Could be something happening at the other end, the guy in america might have imported his address book to his facebook profile.
That would make sense. You send him an e-mail, so suddenly you're in his address book which he may well have linked to his facebook account.

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Re: The internet and privacy

Post by Jangloid Mark » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:04 pm

islandhopper wrote:
Contravene wrote:Could be something happening at the other end, the guy in america might have imported his address book to his facebook profile.
To answer a few questions...I have a 'spamtrap' email address - I never even look at it, but, I use it for things like Facebook, Myspace, anything that looks like it's going to send me junk when I get asked for an email address. My spamtrap email has an empty address book.

I have imported contacts from my active email address on Facebook, but, the last time I did that was about 18 months ago.

It is entirely feasable that he has me in his address book, although it is highly unlikely that it is something he has done. Firstly, as someone who does the same thing myself, my work email has loads of people who have got added to my contacts....several hundred. I have no idea who they are other than I have probably sold them something at some point.

If I'm in his address book, the chances are that he has got hundreds of others (at least) in there that he doesn't know. He has also got a high number of friends. The chances of him importing such an address book, to my mind are minimal.

Even if he has done this, surely I would get a friend invite rather than him showing up in the 'people you may know' thing.

While it could be coincidece, it seems a bit fishy to me given the timing.
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