Indietracks 2010 - FinchleyTed's issues and problems

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Re: Indietracks 2010 - FinchleyTed's issues and problems

Post by jayen_aitch » Mon Aug 30, 2010 00:19

Hi there thread about Finchley Ted's Issues and Problems, first-time writer, long-time fan.
fogofideas wrote:not only am I now speculating on the identity of Tedley Finch but I'm also curious as to who scaredycat might be.
I understand you can get very good odds on them being the same person at Paddy Power.

If I were in a band, we would be furiously writing a song called Indiepop Angel now, to cash in on the rapidly-growing fictional demographic. I understand most of their income is disposable, largely as the outgoings such as tax, food and bills which trouble most of us are a non-issue for them - leaving more money to buy records. Yes, if I were in a band, we would be selling out in the most gratuitous of ways.

I reckon if we were going to really rush it out we could just cover Pocketbook Angel and change a few of the lyrics here and there - we could get away with that, right?

If punters are civilians, does that mean anyone with a more active role in the festival is a combatant. Also... if they are combatants, who are they fighting. Hopefully not the civilians, that seems terribly one-sided, the civilians won't stand a chance.

Maybe the bands on one side, and everyone else in the running of things on the other side... is that about even?

Or did it mean that we're meant to be civil? In which case did it work?

I think peak time for the loo would be about an hour after peak time at the bar, if that helps at all.

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Re: Indietracks 2010 - FinchleyTed's issues and problems

Post by squirrelboutique » Mon Aug 30, 2010 00:39

fogofideas wrote:not only am I now speculating on the identity of Tedley Finch but I'm also curious as to who scaredycat might be

this is truly a mystery wrapped in a... well, you get the idea
Don't you have the superadmin powers that can reveal that to you?

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Post by linus » Mon Aug 30, 2010 00:45

I would never use my superadmin powers for evil

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Post by squirrelboutique » Mon Aug 30, 2010 01:05

Oh yeah. I wouldn't either.

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Post by linus » Mon Aug 30, 2010 01:17

well, that's what we say on here

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Re: Indietracks 2010 - FinchleyTed's issues and problems

Post by aorta » Mon Aug 30, 2010 05:31

Someone sent me Indiepop Angel on my phone, but I couldn't really hear it because I was wearing a cagoule at the time with the hood up.
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Re: Indietracks 2010 - FinchleyTed's issues and problems

Post by scaredy cat » Mon Aug 30, 2010 06:22

I'm starting a rockabilly called the finchley teds, who's in?

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Post by Carys » Mon Aug 30, 2010 07:57

God, I can't believe I'm admitting to having done this, but if you look back over FT's posts, there's one with a surname and his email address... It'd have to a be a really elaborate ruse for that post to be made up too...

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Post by boney » Mon Aug 30, 2010 13:01

I'm wondering if Ted Leamy has a vested interest in encouraging Team Indietracks to better themselves.
In a retrofit project that delivers high-impact, reliable audio to a historical parish, Hercules, California-based Pro Media/UltraSound recently upgraded the sound system at St. Joseph’s Church in Pinole, California with JBL Professional VP Series loudspeakers.
http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/pro_ ... h_with_jbl_/
“As a sound designer I can count on the consistency of JBL loudspeakers,” said Ted Leamy of Pro Media/UltraSound. “This installation combines a variety of loudspeaker models for a great sound at the right budget. I know that when I turn the system on, each of the loudspeakers will work well with each other.”

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Re: Indietracks 2010 - FinchleyTed's issues and problems

Post by scaredy cat » Mon Aug 30, 2010 16:21

squirrelboutique wrote:
fogofideas wrote:not only am I now speculating on the identity of Tedley Finch but I'm also curious as to who scaredycat might be

this is truly a mystery wrapped in a... well, you get the idea
Don't you have the superadmin powers that can reveal that to you?

No need for super admin powers, just pm me and I'll tell you who I am....

Not you Ted.

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Post by squirrelboutique » Mon Aug 30, 2010 16:51

Using my superadmin powers is the only internet fun I have.

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Post by FinchleyTed » Mon Aug 30, 2010 21:13

Everyone – This encompasses the first thirty replies, the sixty or so after that the last couple of days look completely meaningless at a quick scan, and even more miles from the original topic so I haven’t addressed them. Sorry.

A Layer of Chips – [Before Reading / Leeds] Good luck with your Reading: couldn’t afford Leeds ‘cause you blew your festivals budget on the beers at Indietracks? Enjoy jostling with the soul-less London set at that one… Guns N’ Roses, Blink 182, Paramore, Libertines: grim stuff - hope you are sticking to the minor stages this year… [After Reading / Leads] Only three stars in Guardian for Leeds? Oh dear, hope you managed to make QOTSA at least at your one.

Islandhopper - Sorry, I haven’t managed to reply to / continue with my earlier posting on breeders clogging up festivals; a bit new to posting and cannot find my original post, but I can say that after just having finished three weeks cycling and using trains around the UK I think I hate (screaming) toddlers, clueless parents and their other unsocialised carbon footprints even more. A case in point: at the Pooh Sticks gig, there was a bunch of placards being waved about during the set, obscuring the band and destroying the visual experience for the rest of us. Sometime later I was at a food stall and a sweet young family turned up, mum & dad and the push-chair, and the dad was carrying one of the offending placards. I asked why he had been waving it around during the performance and obscuring my sight-lines for the gig, and he said: ‘Oh I don’t know, someone just gave it to me at the start…’

Humblebee – Sorry indie pop angel is in the chorus, the title is – actually, whatever, find it if you want to.

Moopind – good analysis of the posting: you can go back to YouTube accident compilations now.

Caramarydaisy – ‘Civilian responses’ – just a way I guess to get any more knowledgeable or experienced disco-scene players or types or interested parties to stop & think before taking umbrage, and thinking about what the disco experiences were like for the average punter.
‘At the end of the day…’ Well sure, I’m not asking for the recording booth at Abbey Roads, or the current top club in Ibiza to be re-created in situ in the marquees, just that some effort is made to provide a decent disco experience. I mean, off the top of my head again, just thinking about it again, why not line the inside walls with throwaway but effective sound-proofing materials gotten from an office refurbishment or Freecycle or similar? Let people go wild painting it beforehand or even early part of the disco, and you get instant better sound quality plus a visual experience, etc etc.

Islandhopper – successful Kate Nash request? Good crowding out there of the disco time with a ditty you can hear at the hairdressers or HMV most weeks, thanks.

Tompony – irrelevant, and likely untrue: the sound on the main stage was fine and you’d have to be under the train to be disturbed by any of them gently puffing past. Try reading the post again: the point is that with a few simple, obvious tweaks & improvements the discos could be just so much more. Back to your Curate’s Egg life for you now.

Indiansummer – clueless: try reading the post again as well, and thinking about the disco experience and what it was like – if you were there of course.

Stolenwine – Yes I probably would have had a guilty dance to the Kate Nash request if it was played – out of desperation. If ‘One Thread to Rule Them’ gatekeeper wasn’t hovering about, I might start a thread on the lack of danceable numbers throughout the disco nights, come to think of it.

JamieC – That disco set is entirely constructible & doable at a budget festival: I bet I could put together a facsimile of it with say Freecycle and a little donated labour under a carpenter that could function as a dancefloor and ‘experience’.
Also, it’s ‘Finchley’ not ‘Finchely’, and ‘FinchleyTed’ not ‘Ted’: proof that you and just about everyone else here is charging in here emotively & defensively, and not reading let alone understanding the posting or the issues.

Sideburnsjim (sorry, ‘Jimothy’: hilarious) – ‘…do us all a favour and…’: Nice! - just the sort of knucklehead I went to Indietracks to try to avoid.
‘Now he’s hating on the disco’: we’re on an indiepop forum, not a creative Estuary English forum - try to use accepted parlance of the forum at least, when piling in emotively on these threads.
‘Why bother coming?’: I enjoyed the festival as such: Blanche Hudson Weekend, Shrag and …French Resistance… were fantastic for instance.
But again the point is that the discos could have been so much more, but failed on most points.
It is hugely depressing to see the lack of understanding and imagination in all these postings as to what I am suggesting could be done with the discos – and from an indiepop approach. No wonder everyone thinks the discos were actually quite cool and want the same next time.
Oh well, at least everyone’s in agreement that the Primitives set was a travesty of the original band & ideals, and that the organiser who booked them should be sacked – oh hang on, wait a minute…

Fogofideas – whew: where to start? The criticisms were posted separately because each one of them is potentially a ‘deal breaker’ re going to another Indietracks again. The discos could potentially take up ten or even fifteen hours of your time, so if they are going to be pretty average and/or disappointing, and you have gotten something out of the live music during the day, but want something more to really make the festival experience, then maybe the average punter should choose a different festival which has similar if not quite as good acts, but the discos are way way better.
The church ‘stage’ venue is also a potential deal breaker of an issue: all the acts with (big) queues for them should have been on one of the other stages and I for one wanted to see most of them, but would have had to stand around literally for hours trying to get in, at the loss of seeing a bunch of the other bands.
The patronising alcohol policy is potentially a key issue for me, and might be for plenty of others if they thought about it at all, and the toilets provision issue is also potentially a major issue, or would be if punters weren’t so conditioned to inadequate facilities year after year.
‘language, jimothy!’ – boy, what a cosy little forum this is – let’s all gang up on the interloper who had the temerity to think about his post before putting it on, and also made it longer than twenty words.
‘it’s more troubling if it’s for real’ – Also hugely depressing that a carefully thought-through (right or wrong) critique is dismissed with a few patronising words.
‘they always strive to improve year on year’ – a cliché: have you considered joining a cost-cutting team in the Coalition Government? How do you know they do anyway, or are you just defending your cosy little festival in a knee-jerk reaction to some objective criticisms?
‘there’s sorts of ways…’ Patronising about three times in the one sentence, well done there. Also largely meaningless: yes I can write directly to Indietracks, which is fine, but referring obscurely to some superior ‘sorts of ways’ avenue is a waste of forum time and effort for you and all of us.

Uncle Ants – It’s ‘FinchleyTed’ not ‘Ted’ – also unnecessarily patronising. Why is detailing criticisms and improvements of something I would dearly like to see improved so that I could enjoy it even more ‘having issues’ and being ‘quite plain’? Again, patronising and trite.

Everyone - are all the contributors here teenagers? It’s like trying to debate a topic in a school classroom where the subject is beyond the class and they just want to make fun of the speaker or react emotively, or gossip amongst themselves instead.

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Post by a layer of chips » Mon Aug 30, 2010 21:35

I'm not at Reading, Frenchly Ted.

I didn't notice The Breeders playing. "Breeders"? For fuck's sake. And you're accusing other people of being immature.

Honest, though. Your opinions are as relevant as anyone else's. But that doesn't stop people thinking them daft. Did you really say they should take the windows out of the church, for example?

"Unsocialised carbon footprints", eh? Nice. Sounds like something straight of out of the Tory/Lib Dem goverment to me.

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Post by Woodbine » Mon Aug 30, 2010 21:35

Oh dear.
Is evil just something you are, or something you do?

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Post by boney » Mon Aug 30, 2010 21:56

I loved the discos. Thought they played good fun stuff. Didn't have issues with the volume/quality of the soundsystems. I didn't mind paying £3 a pint. I had no problem with the loos. I loved the signs at The Pooh Sticks, it helped create a quite frankly wonderful atmosphere at an astounding show. I didn't make it into the church, I hope the scheduling is a bit more savvy next time. There were a lot of kids around, didn't think this detracted at all. Was too busy having a great time to nitpick.

Indietracks has always had a fraction of the issues that I've experienced at every other festival. Perhaps that's what makes me less inclined to find fault.

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Post by jayen_aitch » Mon Aug 30, 2010 22:09

FinchleyTed wrote: at the Pooh Sticks gig, there was a bunch of placards being waved about during the set, obscuring the band and destroying the visual experience for the rest of us. Sometime later I was at a food stall and a sweet young family turned up, mum & dad and the push-chair, and the dad was carrying one of the offending placards. I asked why he had been waving it around during the performance and obscuring my sight-lines for the gig, and he said: ‘Oh I don’t know, someone just gave it to me at the start…’
Wasn't it the members of The Pooh Sticks themselves that were handing out the placards?

I found them charming and a breath of fresh air.
FinchleyTed wrote:when I suggested ‘Indiepop Angel’ I was met by what appeared to be incomprehension by one DJ, and then a bit later when I suggested to a member of the DJ’s crew that it would have been a better song to play for another, to me, questionable track just played, I was informed apparently disdainfully that ‘only about three people’ would know the song, and that I should ‘just start my own club night’. It seems clear to me that, when a knowledgeable player, associated with the DJ and likely a DJ themselves, states that a quintessential Indiepop anthem / call to arms such as ‘Indiepop Angel’ is not appropriate to ever play at an Indiepop disco, then provincialism or even conservatism has crept into DJ & crew’s choices.
FinchleyTed wrote: Sorry indie pop angel is in the chorus, the title is – actually, whatever, find it if you want to.
You can't make a big point of requesting this song - this quintessential Indiepop anthem - Indiepop Angel and being shocked at no-one being able to play it if that's not actually what the song is called. What do you expect of the DJs? Should they know every line to every song that people might ask for, and be able to find the right song based on a couple of words that someone is able to parrot back to them?

Wandering in another direction for a moment, If someone is DJing, I really think they ought to be able to decide what they would like to play. By all means make requests, but if the DJ has their set populated, that's fine too. At the very least they might have had more requests than there is time to play records.
FinchleyTed wrote:
The patronising alcohol policy is potentially a key issue for me...
Patronising about three times in the one sentence, well done there.
Again, patronising and trite.
I see that being patronised upsets you.
FinchleyTed wrote:It’s like trying to debate a topic in a school classroom where the subject is beyond the class and they just want to make fun of the speaker or react emotively, or gossip amongst themselves instead.
Please forgive me if any of my points serve only to showcase my profound inability to understand your wonderful rhetoric.
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Post by linus » Mon Aug 30, 2010 22:18

have you considered joining a cost-cutting team in the Coalition Government?
given the parlous state of my current job because of government cuts I should just tell you to 'fuck off' because of that comment and have done with it, but...

finley ten, congratulations on your rather self-satisfied, sneery, deluded, bordering on barmy 'objective criticisms' (you might want to think- objectively- what that term actually means)... if you're feeling wounded that people haven't taken you're revolutionary creative solutions on board it's probably because you read like a troll and if you're not a troll, if you've come here to seriously debate taking the windows out of the church and think people care about your charming views on parents and their offspring, then- yep- it is 'more troubling if it’s for real' because you've entirely misunderstood so much of what so many people truly love about indietracks and life and how to live it

your dim view of placards obscuring your view of the pooh sticks should perhaps be addressed to hue pooh who handed the placards out to the crowd presumably hoping that they would wave them about a bit... what was he thinking? why didn't he consult you first? what's wrong with people that nobody else gave a shit except you?

if people aren't replying to you in more than twenty words it's perhaps because the vast majority of your opinions beggar belief and can only be met with incredulity and scorn and people can't be arsed to bother to engage with you meaningfully... although I notice some people did but you chose not to respond to them, people who posted about the toilets, women people in particular

I wish you well in your one-man crusade to shape indietracks into the festival finchley ted really believes it can be but I think the vast majority of people are happy for team indietracks to carry on their merry way regardless because we'll be back next year... not because of blind loyalty, cosyness or because we can't think what else to do with our toddler offspring but because we love the festival, we trust the organisers and we haven't had a bad time yet

if you read other threads here you'd see that soundproofing on the walls in the shed is already being considered for next year and the business of rocks on the tent dancefloor and the like won't have escaped the attention of the organisers because they were shovelling rocks away themselves

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time replying here, this is what you want, isn't it? the attention?

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Re: Indietracks 2010 - FinchleyTed's issues and problems

Post by scaredy cat » Tue Aug 31, 2010 00:14

Told you...

Just imagine what he was like in person.

And yes, he really did suggest taking the windows out of the church.

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Post by Woodbine » Tue Aug 31, 2010 00:20

But why? I don't understand?!
Is evil just something you are, or something you do?

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Re: Indietracks 2010 - FinchleyTed's issues and problems

Post by linus » Tue Aug 31, 2010 07:34

tinchy fled wrote:As a partial solution to the inadequacies of the church venue, at least take the windows out during the day when the acts are appearing. Someone said to me that the church was a listed building and they wouldn’t be able to do that, but, then again, someone else said that it had in fact been constructed especially for Indietracks festivals, so perhaps the windows could be easily removed for concerts. And if it really is a listed building, why was the lectern of the church propping open the side door during the day?
it doesn't make it any clearer why taking the windows out would help... I'm presuming people can stick their heads through the big holes

I'm also unsure why a lectern would fall under listed building status

it's also interesting (it's not interesting really) how flinchey tod witheringly dismisses anyone (it seems) who replies to him as emotional when his posts- at least to this reader- seem rather overwrought themselves, he seems determined to contrive a 'them and us' type festival experience, the evil 'them' being the organisers (multiple crimes, including expecting ladies to queue for the toilet, in this day and age), people who got into the church (some of whom had the temerity to wear earplugs!), dj's who don't recognise songs by their choruses, the people who ran the 'over-priced' bar, any punters who bought drink from said bar (summarily dismissed as 'appearing to be chumps'); the pooh sticks for not making themselves entirely visible during their set due to handing out placards which then got held up and waved about in a 'I've got a placard and I'm going to use it' type manner, 'breeders' (there was a crying baby on a train, sterilise peoplekind!), people who don't stop and think and come to the conclusion that finchley ted is right, hairdressers who listen to kate nash, anyone else who listens to kate nash, people with emotions, people who use estuary english (this isn't an estuary english forum, so perhaps he has a point here), people who patronise him (seemingly everyone), people who ask 'does he take sugar?' without directing the question toward him and framing it as 'do you take sugar, son?', which would be kinder

and, the poor put upon 'us' seems to consist of... him and him alone

oh, and he seems to be concerned that performers were as unimpressed as he was and buggered off home early... which, given that you couldn't walk five paces without stepping on a smitten (or indeed one of any number of bands on the bill) is another finchley ted charge that doesn't seem to stack up in the face of fact and reality

but, yeh, that was the reason for removing the windows

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