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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by postalblue » Wed Sep 03, 2008 19:08

I hope it's not a trilogy.
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by Pip68 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 04:13

My last group released five 7' singles, which later were released as a CD compilation, for those people who didn't have record players. The only cost incurred was the CD production and that way you can make sure everyone gets to hear the songs, and you (the lable, group, whoever) recoup some of the losses you make on the singles. That said the 7" is still my favourite format, and all the indie kids love an EP. No extra tracks on the CD though!

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by postalblue » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:23

Pip68 wrote:My last group released five 7' singles
Those were probably really expensive to ship.;)
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by soft revolution » Wed Oct 08, 2008 00:33

Apparently cassettes are dead cheap to duplicate at the moment, so if you've ever wanted to run a cassette label now is the time to do it (just make sure you distribute the MP3s too for when my 20 year old walkman inevitably chews up the tape).
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by Jangloid Mark » Wed Oct 08, 2008 01:06

I don't have the cash to lose...if I've got money to lose in the future, I'd definately start a label, but right now, it's impossible...

BUT...I am currently putting together a compilation as part of Love Music Hate Racism South Wales

I've got about half the donated MP3's so far...and a fellow member of LMHR-SW has volunteered to do the artwork for the front & back inlays.

So, my question is...when I've got all the MP3s & inlays, where is a good & cheap place to get them done? I'm looking at silver discs rather than CDRs if possible, and a run of 2-3 hundred...

Also, what sort of costs would I be looking at?
While this won't be coming out of my own pocket, I'm hoping that they can be sold as cheaply as possible...and still make some cash for LMHR....assuming that they all get sold, that is...
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by aorta » Wed Oct 08, 2008 02:23

soft revolution wrote:Apparently cassettes are dead cheap to duplicate at the moment, so if you've ever wanted to run a cassette label now is the time to do it (just make sure you distribute the MP3s too for when my 20 year old walkman inevitably chews up the tape).
I recently got a bunch of noise/experimental/drone cassettes and supposedly the fact that they decay over time is part of the appeal.
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by postalblue » Wed Oct 08, 2008 09:51

Jangloid Mark wrote:I don't have the cash to lose...if I've got money to lose in the future, I'd definately start a label, but right now, it's impossible...

BUT...I am currently putting together a compilation as part of Love Music Hate Racism South Wales

I've got about half the donated MP3's so far...and a fellow member of LMHR-SW has volunteered to do the artwork for the front & back inlays.

So, my question is...when I've got all the MP3s & inlays, where is a good & cheap place to get them done? I'm looking at silver discs rather than CDRs if possible, and a run of 2-3 hundred...

Also, what sort of costs would I be looking at?
While this won't be coming out of my own pocket, I'm hoping that they can be sold as cheaply as possible...and still make some cash for LMHR....assuming that they all get sold, that is...
Minimum run for cd replication is 500 everywhere you go. Under that quantity, you have to look into cd duplication (cd-rs).
New Postal Blue single out now on Cloudberry Records.
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by Jangloid Mark » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:31

postalblue wrote:
Jangloid Mark wrote:I don't have the cash to lose...if I've got money to lose in the future, I'd definately start a label, but right now, it's impossible...

BUT...I am currently putting together a compilation as part of Love Music Hate Racism South Wales

I've got about half the donated MP3's so far...and a fellow member of LMHR-SW has volunteered to do the artwork for the front & back inlays.

So, my question is...when I've got all the MP3s & inlays, where is a good & cheap place to get them done? I'm looking at silver discs rather than CDRs if possible, and a run of 2-3 hundred...

Also, what sort of costs would I be looking at?
While this won't be coming out of my own pocket, I'm hoping that they can be sold as cheaply as possible...and still make some cash for LMHR....assuming that they all get sold, that is...
Minimum run for cd replication is 500 everywhere you go. Under that quantity, you have to look into cd duplication (cd-rs).
ok...so how much is 500 likely to cost? And where is a good place to go?
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by a layer of chips » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:47

Try reading the thread, Mark.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by postalblue » Wed Oct 08, 2008 14:57

Jangloid Mark wrote:ok...so how much is 500 likely to cost? And where is a good place to go?
In America, about $800. Can't tell you which places are good because I haven't gone past the research stage.
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by Trev » Wed Jul 07, 2010 15:17

Ok. This isn't about starting a record label, but it certainly is about running one.

Odd Box is toying with a number of ideas for releases over the next 12 months and the big debate (in my head) is whether to press albums on Vinyl or CD? (I can't really afford to do, both formats). I am still going to do 7" records and the short run CD releases too, for EPs.

But I would be intersted to know what people think about albums - whether that be as a fan, a musician or even other record label runners (I know there are a few of you out there in Anorak land).

Vinyl seems to cost more to make - but is it easier to sell?
If you had a choice over 12" album or CD - which one would you buy?
Does putting MP3 codes free with a vinyl release make a difference?

The other downside of vinyl LPs is the cost of packing them and sending them around the world. Sigh. I told you this was a big debate for me.
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by indiansummer » Wed Jul 07, 2010 15:27

i try to buy vinyl where possible but often find prices prohibitive.

Lots of punk labels in the US (e.g. No Idea) seem to sell their lps for round about £7-8 (not including postage)... is vinyl cheaper in the US? i've often wondered.

would you do something along the lines of download codes for vinyl, out of interest? or cd-rs?
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by Trev » Wed Jul 07, 2010 15:30

indiansummer wrote:would you do something along the lines of download codes for vinyl, out of interest? or cd-rs?
I am toying with ditching CDs for album releases and going for vinyl releases with download codes, possibly, depending on cost and whether D/L codes actually help sales.
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by indiansummer » Wed Jul 07, 2010 15:33

Trev wrote:I am toying with ditching CDs for album releases and going for vinyl releases with download codes, possibly, depending on cost and whether D/L codes actually help sales.
i'm sure there's something in the Merge Records book where they claim that D/L codes are amongst the things that have kept the label going. That said, Merge has been going for a long time and also presumably trades off its reputation and history, so i don't know how useful it would be to something newer.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by tompony » Wed Jul 07, 2010 15:34

I never listen to vinyl, so I would always go with CD or a digital download. If the only way to get a digital copy was to buy the vinyl, it would put me off the release somewhat - I'd rather pay the same price and just get the downloads, in fact!
I know a lot of people like vinyl, but for me it's bulky and impractical.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by Colin » Wed Jul 07, 2010 15:50

Trev wrote:If you had a choice over 12" album or CD - which one would you buy?
Does putting MP3 codes free with a vinyl release make a difference?
I generally buy vinyl unless it's significantly more expensive than the CD (more than a couple of quid, say).

I don't think download codes have ever been a clincher in terms of me buying something but they're definitely appreciated. I can rip vinyl to mp3s but it's a giant hassle.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by Carys » Wed Jul 07, 2010 18:25

A download code is definitely the difference between me buying a record or not buying one. I wouldn't buy a record that didn't have a digital download (unless it was second hand).

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by MJHibbett » Mon Aug 23, 2010 15:44

Right then, I'm getting together a mailing list for promo copies of the next Validators album ("Forest Moon of Enderby", the b-sides/rarities CD we had at Indietracks) and so far most of the work has been deleting fanzines etc from the list because they don't exist any more!

SO, has anybody got any recommendations and - especially - ADDRESSES for places it'd be good to send CDs too, please? I'm especially after new and exciting, also Regularly/Actually Publishing Webzines please! Ta!

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by carney » Tue Nov 30, 2010 09:47

I'm probably not going to start a label as such, but I'm trying to sort out doing a split 7". Any recommendations on mastering places? Turan Audio and Audbile Oddities have been mentioned positively in this thread, and the label my other band is on usually uses Carl Saff. Any more for any more? I'd quite like someone who could be fairly quick so we can it to the plant before the VAT rise.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by Uncle Ants » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:21

Trev wrote:I am toying with ditching CDs for album releases and going for vinyl releases with download codes, possibly, depending on cost and whether D/L codes actually help sales.
I know this was discussed a while back but, personally if it's on vinyl I'll buy it on vinyl for preference and while I'm not that fussed about the download thing, I suspect a lot of people would be and I can't see how it can do anything but help sales.

These days a vinyl release plus downloads for anyone wanting a physical object and a separate download only deal for those not wanting something physical may make sense depending on the outlay, but you'll never please everyone. I should imagine there are also people who want something physical but would prefer CD or CD-R rather than vinyl - in that case though the download code would be redundant I guess as a CD is easy enough to rip.
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