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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by roundbitsofplastic » Fri Nov 02, 2012 13:46

crystalball wrote:Now I want to release more records. Stop doing that, Anorak. I'm skint.
I think you should stop not releasing records. How do you like THEM apples?
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by rockyoreilly » Sat Nov 03, 2012 19:59

Thanks for all the great info in this thread!

About to take the jump and start a singles label in Belfast.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by jayen_aitch » Sun Nov 04, 2012 09:58

Good luck with it.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by fads » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:02

does anyone know any places that do small runs ~50 screen printed cd sleeves?

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by tompony » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:11

I've always used local print companies for small runs of CD sleeves. It's nice to be able to speak to them face-to-face and get test copies printed off and stuff. Also the one I went to had a dog in it! But then it closed down immediately after I used them and now sells car parts. So if you need any car parts, I can recommend somewhere that used to print CD sleeves?

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by fads » Wed Nov 14, 2012 13:27

ha! that tickled me.

i mean, useless... but funny. i'll take that anyday.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by fads » Wed Nov 14, 2012 13:57

also, i know that most releases won't cover cost (that's not why i want to do this) but what kind of artist/label split do people get? Do you just say "i'll cover costs, you take any profit", or do you set up a ratio first, or is this too personal a question to be asking!

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by paukl » Wed Nov 14, 2012 15:42

The two labels that put out our stuff both have totally different approaches to that side of things and they're both totally viable ways of doing things.

I'd say just do what you feel comfortable with :)

Edit: Not gonna get into specifics as it's not really my place tbf.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by tompony » Wed Nov 14, 2012 15:52

When I was briefly involved with a label, we kept the money from online sales to cover costs but gave the band as many copies as they want and they kept all the money from the ones they sold.

We were working with CDRs and handmade packaging though, so there wasn't really a big initial outlay to cover, or anything like that.

Also this thread is making me want to do more label things! I'm incredibly terrible at the promotion / publicising side of things, though, which is pretty much a recipe for disaster.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by everard » Thu Nov 15, 2012 15:27

re. 50 silkscreened sleeves -- go buy a speedball starter kit and teach yourself how to silkscreen. it's fun. the cost is really in the set-up, so if you can learn to build your own screens (requires wood, saw, staplegun, polyester, dishwasher powder) you can save a lot of money by doing it yourself.

re. money -- standard d.i.y. thing would probably be: band pays for recording, label pays for production, band gets 15-20% of the copies to sell and can buy further copies at cost. if copyright is involved the band holds it.

not the only way to do things but probably the simplest.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by alongwaltz » Thu Nov 15, 2012 16:43

We've taken the K Records approach of 50-50.

Most of our acts do home recording with GarageBand. We tend to front all the costs of the physical releases, though they'll chip in if they can afford to. Then we sell what we can, make sure we're both paid back in full first, and then split any profits evenly.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by fads » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:27

thanks for the responses - you're all really helpful, and this thread is a brilliant indicator that the diy ethos is totally open and encouraging to newbies!

i've gone with 50/50 outright. it won't cover my costs, but for a first release i wasn't expecting to anyway and i could keep costs down if i made it all a bit cheaper but, with all the enthusiasm of a first-timer, i'm trying to make the whole package as sexy and ace as possible.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by roundbitsofplastic » Fri Nov 16, 2012 13:43

fads wrote:i'm trying to make the whole package as sexy and ace as possible.
Yass!
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by fads » Fri Nov 16, 2012 14:24

i wouldn't hold your breath for this happening soon, though!

to my knowledge, the songs haven't been recorded yet!

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by roundbitsofplastic » Fri Nov 16, 2012 14:27

fads wrote:i wouldn't hold your breath for this happening soon, though!

to my knowledge, the songs haven't been recorded yet!
Mere DETAILS.
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by fads » Fri Nov 16, 2012 14:38

very true.

worst case scenario, i'll put out a one sided picture disc with pictures on BOTH SIDES.

also, it's not strictly indie-pop... i think 'mope-pop' has been used as a tag before.

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by roundbitsofplastic » Fri Nov 16, 2012 14:39

fads wrote: worst case scenario, i'll put out a one sided picture disc with pictures on BOTH SIDES.
I'd be in to this. Call it a Marcel Marceau tribute ep.
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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by fads » Fri Nov 16, 2012 14:52

ha, that's a fantastic idea!

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by RITH » Mon May 13, 2013 14:08

I have a question about compilations and distribution of potential profits. If I'd manage to make some profit on a compilation, is it (un)reasonable to invest it all in future releases and not give it to the bands? What is the 'usual' deal with compilations of exclusive/new songs?

It's already unlikely it'd make any profit, but if we'd have to devide it between 12 or more bands, is it even worth it for the bands?

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Re: Starting and running a label

Post by paukl » Mon May 13, 2013 14:35

RITH wrote:I have a question about compilations and distribution of potential profits. If I'd manage to make some profit on a compilation, is it (un)reasonable to invest it all in future releases and not give it to the bands? What is the 'usual' deal with compilations of exclusive/new songs?

It's already unlikely it'd make any profit, but if we'd have to devide it between 12 or more bands, is it even worth it for the bands?
I think either way is fine as long as you're up front from the start about what your plans are. That gives the bands an opportunity to say no if its not going to work for them.

Acorss various comps we've been on we've either been paid, been given copies of the comp to sell ourselves at shows or been told from the outset 'we can't pay you.'

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