does the music ever win (even when the creator is a tool)?

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does the music ever win (even when the creator is a tool)?

Post by colinsmitten » Tue Nov 13, 2012 01:11

Do you ever find that even though sometimes you may learn something about a musician and like their songs less, that sometimes there are musicians who you don't necessarily feel an affinity for, but you still like their songs?

I've started wondering this since I started reading the Gregg Allman autobiography, "My Cross To Bear" and listening to a lot of allman brothers. I don't feel like I would necessarily make friends with Gregg, reading his point of view makes me like him, too, and then I think about that music.

Well, applied across the board, I was thinking about the reverse of the usual discussion of when learning you don't like a singer might effect your enjoyment of the music - I wanted to see which pieces of music were so heroic as to transcend that.

i don;t even know if this counts as a topic,
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Post by tonieee » Tue Nov 13, 2012 06:57

There have been times when I've taken a dislike to someone after meeting them (and it's not often I dislike anyone!) and that's made me stop listening to their records. It's not stopped me liking the music but there is too much music to listen to and their's just gets pushed lower down the pile.

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Post by Elvistears » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:47

Nina Simone gave a really, really horrible interview in the big issue not long before she died. Homophobia, general misanthropy...you name it. Although it was a hatchet job by the interviewer, there was enough substance to his accusations to make me feel a little less respect for her.
Her version of "Suzanne" still makes me cry, though. And "Wild is the Wind". And ten or twenty others, too.

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Post by Shaun A » Tue Nov 13, 2012 13:53

Unless a person is a dick to me personally, it doesn't really make any difference. If it did, I don't think I'd ever listen to Lou Reed!
I think it's weirder when someone who's music you can't stand turn out to be really nice people. I work with bands at a venue and sometimes work as a roadie and some of the worst groups are often the nicest individuals. We have this phrase we keep using - "Nice guy....shit records, but a nice guy". What gets on my nerves the most are bands that are just miserable all the time. I look at them and think "why the fuck are you doing this?". Also American bands who show up at the venue and moan about the wi-fi password not working. You're on tour you idiot. And bands who blankly watch you struggling to carry a massive fucking PA system down a flight of steps without offering any help and then come over and complain that the food hasn't arrived yet. I don't know where the food is, I'm trying to carry this huge fucking piece of your equipment you dick.

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Post by jayen_aitch » Wed Nov 14, 2012 06:48

I also have found a couple of artists so mean / horrible / full of themselves that it made me stop listening to them at least for a while. This wasn't a problem with the songs themselves, I don't like the songs less, just that they remind me of that person and then I start thinking about that instead of about the music quite as much.

For me I get over it after a while and eventually one day I put the record in question back on and think 'This is pretty great actually, I should listen to it more often'.

It is a shame when nice people aren't automatically very talented / making music that makes me excited. It feels like there is something wrong with the universe, but that's the way the cookie crumbles I suppose, and I wish them well. Hopefully other people will like it.

I feel a bit guilty at Shaun A's post, while I would never expect anyone else to lug my amp around, and I am generally quite happy to forage for my own food, I am someone who, when out of the country, will look for an internet connection. It's nice to stay in touch. If creature comforts like wifi are available when on the road, why not use them? Sack-cloth never looked good on me anyway.

When people, in bands or otherwise, come to stay with us, they often ask for the wifi password before they ask where the bathroom is... I wouldn't begrudge them it for a second, and I recognise myself far too much in those people. Even my parents are getting a bit like that.

That said this evening, and pretty much every Wednesday, I will happily make my way to spend a few hours in a cave, deep underground, and there is definitely no internet down there. That's not really the same as managing a tour-length stint without wifi though.

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Post by paulmitten » Sat Nov 17, 2012 01:11

I honestly don't like to know too much about the musicians I listen to. I think part of listening to music is being able to project my own feelings onto the songs, there's that. But I also think sometimes being a bit of a tool is something that allows you to be a better musician, writer, etc. Lot of these people are somewhat lousy people and it's OK because it's what drives them to do things the way they do. Of course, it doesn't make me like them any more as a person, so that's why I honestly don't want to know too much.

I think there's an overexposure of artists and their personal views and all that. And people always act surprised when people are not who they assumed they were. It especially amuses me when something obvious happens, like a soccer goalie is actually a bit of a douche, and people are surprised. Like do you WANT a nice goalie on your team? I don't.

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Post by jayen_aitch » Sat Nov 17, 2012 08:26

I just wish we had one who was better at stopping goals.

Who's your team?

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Post by paulmitten » Sat Nov 17, 2012 20:32

I live in America and I don't particularly cheer for anyone at the club level. But if I had to choose one that I want to succeed above others, it's usually Arsenal. I get really into international soccer, though, and there I cheer for Korea (I'm Korean) and USA. If the two are playing, I don't care who wins.

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Post by jayen_aitch » Sat Nov 17, 2012 21:10

I'm almost like that when Sweden and England play... almost, but not quite... perhaps by the time I have a Swedish passport I will be.

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